12345 wrote:
Ah, yeah, had she known, she could have just trained to be in 8:48 shape. Too bad she didn't know what you do!
You must not be involved in management.
If she planned to run at Worlds then she needed to get her ass on a 200 meter track and run sub 9:03 in the past month. But the dumb ass way to handle things is to act like you were cheated after the fact.
Nice win, but if you can't run 9:03, in fact substantially faster,you aren't going to be competetive at worlds anyway. It's like those countries who send their 3 hour marathoners to international competitions just because they can send a rep regardless of their speed. Whats the point of going if you are just going to compete for last and be laughed at? Sure, you can say you went, but when people ask how you did..... Maybe at some point she will be able to pull it all together in terms of being able to win AND run a qualifier. Now evidently isn't that time.
Needs to be thought out better wrote:
My issue has to do with the fact that the USATF has chosen to put a world championship qualifying meet at altitude.
USATF can only award the championships to sites/associations that put forward competitive bids.
D-Puma wrote:
onward christian soldiers wrote:It sucks that Renee can lead the entire race and hold off the entire field for the win and NOT qualify for World Indoor. 2nd, 3rd. 4th, and 5th are all eligible having run sub 9:03 in the past year.
Finals
1 Renee Metivier Baillie unattached 9:14.90
2 Sara Hall Asics 9:14.92
3 Shannon Rowbury Nike 9:15.41
4 Desiree Davila Hansons-Brooks 9:21.05
5 Delilah DiCrescenzo Puma 9:29.54
6 Shayla Houlihan unattached 9:33.20
7 Toni Salucci Adidas Ralei 9:33.72
8 Alisha Williams Boulder RC/adid 9:34.51
9 Frances Koons unattached 9:35.30
10 Tanya Zeferjahn unattached 9:50.88
11 Karen Dimoff Bowerman AC 10:09.08
Delilah never ran 9:03 or faster
It doesn't matter because the three runners in front of her all have the standard.
ciego no más wrote:
Needs to be thought out better wrote:My issue has to do with the fact that the USATF has chosen to put a world championship qualifying meet at altitude.
USATF can only award the championships to sites/associations that put forward competitive bids.
I guess that would also explain why the world INDOOR championships are being run in a city where it is between 70 and 80 degrees OUTDOORS.
100% poor management wrote:
12345 wrote:Ah, yeah, had she known, she could have just trained to be in 8:48 shape. Too bad she didn't know what you do!
You must not be involved in management.
If she planned to run at Worlds then she needed to get her ass on a 200 meter track and run sub 9:03 in the past month. But the dumb ass way to handle things is to act like you were cheated after the fact.
I'm so glad you know Renee's goals for the season so well. Maybe she had no intention of running world indoors, even if she made the team, maybe her goal was to put together a solid string of races leading to outdoors, maybe she just decided to run US indoors because the one indoor race she did this year qualified her so she thought "Hey what the hell, I love the tamales at Sadie's Concinita, so if I do this race I can eat there when I'm done"
Don't act like you knew what Renee's plans were for this season because we don't know how much emphasis her and her coach put on running well at indoors. Seems pretty obvious from the fact that she only ran one indoors meet prior to this one but did both a road race and a cross race. It's great she went there willing to compete and came home with the championship but she even looked surprised to have won in her post-race interview. She already confirmed she was going to run world cross, so maybe doing this race just allowed her to go out and have fun competing. Who knows the reason, but we can't say it was poor management if we don't know what her goals/focus were for the season. I do know that if you try to peak for indoor, you are setting yourself up for a poor outdoor season. Read Solinsky's quote on twitter, he said "I made a ton of mistakes tonight, at least its just indoors and not outdoors where it counts." Renee had a good day but from the events leading up, I don't think she was putting too much stock into this one race.
It's never wise to play darts with your eyes closed
It's the winter and track is an indoor sport in the winter. What does it matter if it's warm outside or not? Have you noticed there are now NHL hockey teams in Dallas, Phoenix (not for long), Miami, and Tampa?
Read Coach Johnson's blog for some insight as to what her goals were for this race. It wasn't to make the World's team, it was just to go out and compete to get some confidence going into the outdoor season. I think she accomplished that goal by being tremendously gutsy throughout. Don't try to be her coach when she has a good one already.
100% poor management wrote:
You must not be involved in management.
If she planned to run at Worlds then she needed to get her ass on a 200 meter track and run sub 9:03 in the past month. But the dumb ass way to handle things is to act like you were cheated after the fact.
why is it not important wrote:
Why do you consider world indoors not important?
When I see ALL the world's best runners showing up for it, or at least trying to get in, then I'll change my answer. Even WXC is a better representation of the world's best runners.
insideinfo wrote:
Rowbury is not going to worlds. The team will be Hall and Davila.
Good luck to Hall and Davila. Hopefully at least one of them will make it out of the first round
100% poor management wrote:
But the dumb ass way to handle things is to act like you were cheated after the fact.
I am certain that neither Renee nor her coach are on letsrun acting like she was cheated after the fact.
Grow up.
My congratulations go to United States Champion Renee Metvier!
And I spelled her name incorrectly. Congratulations United States Champion Renee Metivier Baillie!
As far as I am concerned Sara Hall has the best "Assets". it's just too bad she's with a guy who has a bit of a monkey face.
Renee is probably quite happy to be a USA champion for the first time. Congratulations, Renee
Luckily for her and all of the other athletes who train at altitude, the USATF Indoor championships will be held at altitude for the next 2 years.
Moron.
100% poor management wrote:
Renee is not on the team for 1 reason. She has been given poor management. Everyone knew the rules 2 months ago. You needed a sub 9:03 on a 200 meter track to go. Everyone (with good managent) also knew that in order to run the standard at Albuquerque, you have to be in 8:48 shape. Because the conversion (although not being used) is roughly 14 seconds.
So what if they do? (And they do.) It's a professional sport and if you can't afford to get to altitude to prepare, or aren't based at altitude somehow, then you're not going to be a player at the World meet anyway.
Not Sure wrote:
Needs to be thought out better wrote:Thanks for the update about chasing times to make it to worlds. Rowbury and Hall are the two that will represent the US best at worlds in my opinion.
Based on the results I have seen tonite, I can see why the USATF is getting so much slack from the coaches, agents, etc. about holding a championship meet at altitude.
The mid distance and distance athletes that performed the best tonite are the ones who have been training at altitude leading up to this meet.
Symmonds, Pierce, Rupp, Metivier, Hall. Not sure about Lagat, but he is just a phenom and would do well against this competition at any venue
Most athletes probably came in to town yesterday if they were smart. If that's the case then altitude has no effect on performance in the first 36 hours at higher altitudes. It should therefore be a more difficult race on someone like Rowbury for her race tomorrow after racing today than it would on her performance today. So I'm not buying that altitude athletes had an advantage in the races today.
[quote]Dr. Stray-Gunderson wrote:
So what if they do? (And they do.) It's a professional sport and if you can't afford to get to altitude to prepare, or aren't based at altitude somehow, then you're not going to be a player at the World meet anyway.
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Maybe, maybe not. Our two mid to long distance medalists at worlds did not live at altitude last year.
Running a USATF world qualifying championship meet at altitude is the issue. Not racing worlds at sea level (or close to it).
I do think altitude training is critical to distance development, but it doesn't seem to be an auto ticket to medalling at a world championships. At least not based on what happened in 2009.
God, get over it, we get you're upset the meet was run at altitude, move on, its over, you didn't compete, so you shouldn't be so concerned. The athlete's that did compete ran their best and congrats to those that won.