why is it always so bad to be foreigner? you all have ancestors from somewhere else, so why all the bashing? and would you like it if people in europe would bash americans at the meets there every summer?
why is it always so bad to be foreigner? you all have ancestors from somewhere else, so why all the bashing? and would you like it if people in europe would bash americans at the meets there every summer?
german runnin here wrote:
why is it always so bad to be foreigner? you all have ancestors from somewhere else, so why all the bashing? and would you like it if people in europe would bash americans at the meets there every summer?
It's not actually bad because it raises the bar of competition and makes americans better. However I do respect coaches that can take good americans and make them great instead of taking great internationals runners and having them great here. Nothing wrong with a US college coach focussed on developing homegrown talent since we do have events like the world championships and the olympics where you compete for a country.
I think the deal w most internationals is that they are usually pretty fast coming in. In the past 2-3 years Adams has brought in 4-5 Europeans who all ran at least 1:49 or 3:47 or 8:15 for one of the distance events. These of course are beyond what mostAmerican hs kids usually run before going to college.
chelanga did not compete before he came to the US
F*** you anyone that can run sub 14 20 for a 5k is pretty dam fast, lets see you try to run a sub 14 20 smart ass bitch
what is the D2 auto in the 5?
14:13.8
F***er wrote:
F*** you anyone that can run sub 14 20 for a 5k is pretty dam fast, lets see you try to run a sub 14 20 smart ass bitch
Classic! Hey dude remember that when you read someones post you sometimes have to read what the premise of his post is...the guy was referring to them not being fast enough for the olympic trials yet
Just some food for thought:
In high school, Aaron Braun was a 4:20something miler.
I'd say that's some pretty good development of homegrown talent. I promise you that every single person in that field ran faster than Braun did in high school.
Now the guy can click off 61 second laps at the end of a 5k and drop some of Americas best runners.
Give Coach Martin and Adams a little credit. BTW, Braun is American. He's not old. He's not dumb - actually, he's a member of the ESPN All-Academic Team as a Math major.
Why is it so hard to understand that there are smart, fast, "normal aged", D2 runners? They do exist.
There is no need to go into allegations from over the years (NCAA stuff). That doesn't hold water for anyone.
But as far as the support goes, yes they have a lot of support. They have both an indoor and outdoor track facility and a deal with Puma. They have a huge alumni base and they compete at meets all over the country (not to mention an Alter G treadmill that costs a little bit of money). They are a FULLY FUNDED program which means they have they maximum allowed number of full grant-and-aids allowed in their sport in DII. Not to mention all you need to be admitted to school there is a GRE, no one will ever be ineligible at ASC. So yes, they actually are better off then a lot of DI programs on many levels in terms of their ability to bring in talent. Simply stating the facts.
There are runners training hard all over the world, but if this argument is about the difference in opportunities and situations at various colleges then you have to call a spade a spade. It doesn't take away from an athletes performances in anyway, but you have to be realistic in regards to who they are and what they are working with.
A different viewpoint wrote:
... Not to mention all you need to be admitted to school there is a GRE, ...
Unless students are getting masters or PhDs, the college probably requires a GED not the GRE.
Same as last spring for Adams: d2cross.blogspot.com
adams would have finished top 5 in d1 xc, no if ans or buts with how fast all of them run on the track and in xc, almost won the jamboree with a poor performance from the d2 ncaa champ rebuen mawii (sp)...they are as good as advertised.
d2 reppin wrote:
adams would have finished top 5 in d1 xc, no if ans or buts with how fast all of them run on the track and in xc, almost won the jamboree with a poor performance from the d2 ncaa champ rebuen mawii (sp)...they are as good as advertised.
Not next year or in the immediate future as they lose 5 of those 6 this year... As the New Kids on the Block would say; "by by by".
short lived wrote:
Not next year or in the immediate future as they lose 5 of those 6 this year... As the New Kids on the Block would say; "by by by".
Nothing "short lived" about the success and tradition at Adams State. Some ~35 national cross titles for men and women. This current group (Braun, Medigovich, Mwei) is special, but Adams has had great teams in the past and they'll have great teams again in the future.
agree... but with this lose not in the immediate future and for certain not next year ; )
A different viewpoint wrote:
They have both an indoor and outdoor track facility
Okay, not every school has an indoor facility, but Plachy "Palace" on the ASC campus is hardly a top-tier facility. It's not even a mid-tier facility. Let's see--astro turf, 12 laps to the mile, low ceiling, no banking on turns. Hmmmm. I ran a high school meet in there once many years ago and still regard it as one of the worst athletic experiences of my life. If you want to accuse somebody of having a great DII facility, let's talk about Grand Valley, huh?
Here is news for you: the Adams State teams hardly ever train indoors. It isn't worth it.
So, they have an outdoor track! But, wait, stop the presses. Half the DII programs in the country have their own outdoor track. Apparently, your school doesn't, but did you look into that before you went there? Choices, man, choices. Make your own and live with them.
Alamosa, by the way, is one of the windiest places in the country in the springtime. You've heard of Great Sand Dunes National Park, right? It's there because the wind picks up tons of sand and blows it across the landscape of which Alamosa is a part. It does that all spring long. It only drops the sand because the winds slam up against the mountains and can't carry the load over. But, it probably is a good strength workout running through a turn against a 40 mph wind every other day.
Adams State gets it done on great coaching, not on great facilities. Thought you should know. By the way, I'm not an ASC alum.