Since he cancelled me on Facebook, I'll cancel is ass at the 4 meets I have input in.
Since he cancelled me on Facebook, I'll cancel is ass at the 4 meets I have input in.
First of all, the World Record in the 400 IS the American record.
Also, your forgetting that adding more mileage and 800m type workouts will slow down his max speed, especially 200m speed. NOT DRASTICALLY, but enough so that he will not be at his 400m potential while trying to run a fast 800m.
Just because he runs 43 doesnt mean 48 is a "warm up"... who cares how fast he would go out, thats not the problem, the problem would be how fast can he cover the next 400m.... lots of things happen to the body after 400m, which is why most great 400m guys dont run or run great in the 800m.
That being said, I think he could run GREAT in the 800m- 1:43- 1:44 but i dont know about 1:39.... Remeber the 800m is sometimes harder to go about mentally, especially for a quarter miler, plus as of late once Wariner is challenged, he comes up short- like against Merritt
guys wrote:
Yeah, it's an old topic asked about every 400 runner.
But, for Wariner I think it is a legitimate discussion because of his lack of 200 speed.
His 200m PR is 20.2 I believe, and his 400 is 43.45
Merritt has a 19.98 PR and 43.75
Johnson has 19.32 and 43.18
I can't find Butch Reynolds 200m pr anywhere but based on those results it is pretty evident that Wariner has a lot more speed endurance than the other two runners, so I think he would be best suited to moving up in distance. Whether or not he should, well if you were the third fastest person ever at 400m, and a few years ago there was talk of you challenging for one of the hardest WR's in the sport, would you? Probably not.
Reynolds' PR was 20.46
guys wrote:
But, for Wariner I think it is a legitimate discussion because of his lack of 200 speed.
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His lack of speed?! It sounds funny to say that
a guy who has 20.2 200m speed, lacks speed!
But your point is taken. I think Wariner would have more room to excel at the longer 800m than the others mentioned. His physique seems right? But that can be deceiving.
Apparently, Reynolds did not contest a 200 officially when he was a ruling the 400.
trounce wrote:
He had a good run. Unfortunately he ran into Lashawn, an alpha black male. End of story.
You can't make this sh*t up.
Haha... tell that to Rudisha, Aman or Amos
That explains why David Rudisha has run the fastest 800...pssst, hes black
trounce wrote:
He had a good run. Unfortunately he ran into Lashawn, an alpha black male. End of story.
If LaShawn were alpha, he wouldn't have been using anything for ED.
Wait, he was actually using "that" to counter the effects of the steroids he's bloated with; lethargy, ED, water retention...
Wariner is too old to develop the background he'd need to be good at 800. And that's IF he had the necessary talent in the first place. A mighty big if.
Seriously, all those guys with huge muscles (or the super skinny guys that couldn't lift a brick) have serious issues down there from roid abuse combined with heavy training.
Nitric Oxide declines as you get older, and the bigger the muscles or harder the training the faster it declines. The only solution after retirement is even more drugs. Of course this doesn't solve the Premature EJ problem because the muscles are so weak and the nerves so sensitive that only regular dick usage can solve.
When those guys say they're retired, they really are 'retired'. lmao.
He would not be good at the 800. Even in his prime he wouldn't have had much success. He's a sprinter. His 200 meter ability would be more of a detriment than an asset.
The crazy thing is that the best 800 meter guys on the planet would beat Wariner in a 400 right now.
DRChart wrote:
Think about it. Wariner will never get the world record in the 400; he can't even break the American record!
i'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but if you're not then you're bad and you should feel bad
runn wrote:
I don't see why not. Obviously, he would need some base training- just ramp up the mileage.
It seems that a 51-52 opening 400 would be a jog, then run for home. Juantorena did it. Wariner has the build for the 800. A lot of the other 400 guys have more of a 100-200 build.
Please stop it.... a 52 sec 400 is not a jog in any context.
Subfive wrote:
runn wrote:I don't see why not. Obviously, he would need some base training- just ramp up the mileage.
It seems that a 51-52 opening 400 would be a jog, then run for home. Juantorena did it. Wariner has the build for the 800. A lot of the other 400 guys have more of a 100-200 build.
Please stop it.... a 52 sec 400 is not a jog in any context.
For someone capable of running a sub 44 second 400 meters, 52 seconds is a jog. Think about your best 400 and then multiply that by (52/44). Let's say you can run 53 seconds in the 400...a 61 plus second quarter in a racing situation is an absolute jog
DRChart wrote:
I totally think he could own the 800 WR and even go under 1:40.
Think about it. Wariner will never get the world record in the 400; he can't even break the American record! But he's run a very respectable 43.45, so imagine if he just slowed it down and raced over 2 laps instead of 1? He could be our first sub-1:40 half-miler -- he just needs to go out in 48 (which, for him, is probably a warm-up for a work-out), then come back with a 51 (which, for him, would be like jogging). That would bring him home at 1:39.
I think this is realistic compared to other runners. That 49.5 pace is about 88% of his maximum 400 speed. Compare that to Wilson Kipketer, who ran a 1:41.11 with a 46.85 best 400 time. Let's assume that if he ran the 400 more frequently and trained specifically for it, he'd run around a 45.5. His 800 pace would be 90% of his best 400 time -- understandable given that Kipketer was more a middle distance runner than a sprinter. You get a similar number for Seb Coe.
As another hypothetical exercise, imagine if Wariner moved up to the 1500. If he slowed things down to a 53 (practically a walk for him, and only 82% of his max 400 speed), he could run a 3:18! I wish he'd give it a try!
I hope you're trolling, but if not...
Bolt can run a 19.19 200, a 22 second 200 would be easy for him, so that means he can run a sub 3 minute mile right?
The key is being able handle oxygen debt for one minute and still finish strong.
If you are that fast-twitch muscularly to be able to run under 21.0 for 200 you already are handicapped to move up to the 800.
Juantereno was right in the sweet spot for a 400/800 runner. He wouldn't have been world class in the 200 and probably would have had trouble breaking 3:50 for 1500 in the 1500.
Flo Jo believed she could become a distance runner through training after she "retired" as a 100-400 runner. It would have been impossible for her to break 18:00 for 5k let alone transfer to a 2:20 marathoner like she thought.
And its unlikely she could have moved up to a 2:00 800.
When you are wrecked for 15-20 minutes after a fast 400-600 its because you lack slow twitch muscles that recover in oxygen debt.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
This is an extremely original topic here on letsrun.com
No kidding!!! I can't believe this has never been brought up before.
George Atlas wrote:
oxygen debt
doesn't really exist. There's not some kind of potential oxygen being used that has to be paid back with real oxygen later.
But it's not possible to predict Wariner's aerobic limit anyhow, if he's never trained it, it could be anything.
Nop200 wrote:
DRChart wrote:I totally think he could own the 800 WR and even go under 1:40.
Think about it. Wariner will never get the world record in the 400; he can't even break the American record! But he's run a very respectable 43.45, so imagine if he just slowed it down and raced over 2 laps instead of 1? He could be our first sub-1:40 half-miler -- he just needs to go out in 48 (which, for him, is probably a warm-up for a work-out), then come back with a 51 (which, for him, would be like jogging). That would bring him home at 1:39.
I think this is realistic compared to other runners. That 49.5 pace is about 88% of his maximum 400 speed. Compare that to Wilson Kipketer, who ran a 1:41.11 with a 46.85 best 400 time. Let's assume that if he ran the 400 more frequently and trained specifically for it, he'd run around a 45.5. His 800 pace would be 90% of his best 400 time -- understandable given that Kipketer was more a middle distance runner than a sprinter. You get a similar number for Seb Coe.
As another hypothetical exercise, imagine if Wariner moved up to the 1500. If he slowed things down to a 53 (practically a walk for him, and only 82% of his max 400 speed), he could run a 3:18! I wish he'd give it a try!
I hope you're trolling, but if not...
Bolt can run a 19.19 200, a 22 second 200 would be easy for him, so that means he can run a sub 3 minute mile right?
Horrible analogy. Jumping from 200m to a mile is 8 times the distance. Wariner would merely be doubling it, and he'd be allowed to slow down about a full second per 100 meters en route to it.
At this point I doubt he has any desire to try it, or to change up his training completely to train for a new event. The dude is old, married and has kids.
If he thinks he could, he would.
Wariner could probably do ok. at 800m but this is the worst time to be ok. at 800m in a long time. The last 2-3 years has seen the revival of this distance.