I consider running a pursuit, jogging a hobby.
I consider running a pursuit, jogging a hobby.
bad example wrote:
Flagpole wrote:No way.
http://z.about.com/d/detroit/1/0/u/3/-/-/ritzenhein.jpghttp://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/81373451.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934B869679A269F9CCA32C216B39D9844226FD13ED7B73D4BCI could find these all day.
I agree that heel strikers also run, not jog, but you picture of Ritz does not prove your point. I know for a fact that he midfoot strikes. You picture shows his foot six inches off the ground, not at impact. Just because he points his foot upward slightly mid stride does not mean thats what it does when it hits the ground.
Well then, go with the Salazar one. I could keep searching and find one of Ritz with his heel on the ground. The midfoot, forefront striking thing is BS...until they're in the sprint for the finish. They ALL strike the heel first.
Don't you just kind of know? I'm never sure exactly what the category is but I will say "Oh, I'm going for a run today" or "Oh, I'm heading out for an easy jog today". It's about a combination of the effort and the goal of the run.
Ok, it's hard to get a picture with the heel on the ground as it is just a split second in time.Here's one of Ritz where his heel is closer (maybe 3 inches) off the ground...pretty clear he's going to strike his heel first - http://www.mensracing.com/photos/2004/olympictrials04/dayone140.jpgAnd finally paydirt! - http://www.letsrun.com/pictures/ritzhall08xc.jpgI had more links to photos of fast runners with their heels on the ground first (Abdi, Teg, Bekele), but Letsrun detected it as spam, so I had to delete them.
bad example wrote:
Flagpole wrote:No way.
http://z.about.com/d/detroit/1/0/u/3/-/-/ritzenhein.jpghttp://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/81373451.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934B869679A269F9CCA32C216B39D9844226FD13ED7B73D4BCI could find these all day.
I agree that heel strikers also run, not jog, but you picture of Ritz does not prove your point. I know for a fact that he midfoot strikes. You picture shows his foot six inches off the ground, not at impact. Just because he points his foot upward slightly mid stride does not mean thats what it does when it hits the ground.
Yeah I always liked "a bib number" is the difference.
Judy wrote:
be quiet when running wrote:Jogging = being able to talk
Running = not being able to talk
At 75 yrs old,I love your definition.
In my youth I used to race 10K's at 3-3.5 mins/Km,now at 6-7 mins/Km but it still "feels" like I am running,not jogging.So I still call myself a runner,not a jogger.Age does come into the pace definition.
Wait a second. Your handle suggests you're a woman. Your age suggests you were in your prime at least 40 years ago. 3-3.5 min/km pace for 10k means you could run 10ks between 30-33:30 minutes.
I don't feel like researching what the women's 10k world record was in 1968, but something tells me you would have had it. Was there even a women's 10k world record in 1968?
So please tell me you're a man using the handle 'Judy'.
The most common definition most commonly given way back in the seventies, when the word jogging first found wide circulation, was that running was when both feet were off the ground at some point in the stride. The second most common was seven minute pace. I think the real issue here is that people are bugged when someone calls them a jogger. I didn't care back then, and I don't care now. By the second definition, I am now a jogger (some runs even by the first...), even when I'm running pretty damn hard. I don't mind people calling me a jogger, although hardly anyone does these days. I do mind being so slow, but that's a different story.
Jogging is easy running.
That could mean Ritz out for a 6:30 pace stroll (which he WOULD probably call a jog). Conversely if a fatty is busting their ass runnig 10 minute pace, they're running. If it feels like a workout to them, they don't call it a jog.
Doesn't anybody remember this?
http://www.letsrun.com/2009/semantics0519.php
That should help clear it up.
Judy wrote:
be quiet when running wrote:Jogging = being able to talk
Running = not being able to talk
At 75 yrs old,I love your definition.
In my youth I used to race 10K's at 3-3.5 mins/Km,now at 6-7 mins/Km but it still "feels" like I am running,not jogging.So I still call myself a runner,not a jogger.Age does come into the pace definition.
its a pretty big diffrent between 30min and 35min 10k.
What difference does it make?
Move on with your life.
jogging = running to lose weight
running = running to get faster/better
There is no distinction between the two. For every person, a different definition.
simple concept wrote:
Jogging is easy running.
That could mean Ritz out for a 6:30 pace stroll (which he WOULD probably call a jog). Conversely if a fatty is busting their ass runnig 10 minute pace, they're running. If it feels like a workout to them, they don't call it a jog.
Exactly. It's all about percieved exertion and the goal of the run.
Why do you care about making a distinction?
To those who want to be known as runners rather than joggers because it makes you feel better about yourself, you ought to get a life.
I need to get a life and get off this board too.
running: what I did then
jogging: what I would do if I could
Terminator X wrote:
jogging is heel striking.
Discuss.
Cool, I can "jog" a 5K at sub-5 pace. Imagine what I could do if I actually "ran" instead of heel striking.
40+runner wrote:
The best description / comparison I ever heard:
Jogging is for people trying to get into shape. Running is for people who already are in shape, and are preparing for competitions.
So according to you... someone who is not preparing for competitions, is fairly fat and out playing softball, sprinting as fast as they can to first base after hitting a grouder is "jogging" to first base?!?!?!?
I don't think so.
Lets get over ourself here.
Jogging = running and running = jogging. It's the exact same motion. There is no differentation between Kobe Bryant shooting hoops and some dud shooting hoops. They are both shooting hoops.
I'm sure the likes of Geb have gone for many "jogs" in their life.
Mid-winger wrote:
Terminator X wrote:jogging is heel striking.
Discuss.
Cool, I can "jog" a 5K at sub-5 pace. Imagine what I could do if I actually "ran" instead of heel striking.
Ok, I'm imagining... yeah, you'd probably run faster. Quit hitting the brakes slightly every time you stride and go learn how to run.
At the doctor's office on the questionare sheet I once crossed out jogging and wrote runnning. Running is fast. Jogging is slow.
