Salazar's athletes use Testoboost and Androgel

DC Wonk wrote:

Testoboost is crap/sham supplement -- can be bought on Amazon anytime:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008J54ME8/?tag=beauty100b-20

For the majority of these supplements sold by GNC, drug stores, and almost anywhere else, there is not even objective verification that what is purported to be in the supplement is actually in it. The FDA doesn't test 97% of the supplements, according to studies.

You can buy most anything through Canadian online pharmacies but most of the stuff is made in India. the U.S. FDA actually tests India made products to limited degree picking on the largest drug makers there, many of which are owned in part by U.S. companies which outsource production there.

A tangled web indeed. Just stay away from the China made crap; no telling what you're getting.

notroll wrote:

DC Wonk wrote:

Testoboost is crap/sham supplement -- can be bought on Amazon anytime:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008J54ME8/?tag=beauty100b-20

For the majority of these supplements sold by GNC, drug stores, and almost anywhere else, there is not even objective verification that what is purported to be in the supplement is actually in it. The FDA doesn't test 97% of the supplements, according to studies.

You can buy most anything through Canadian online pharmacies but most of the stuff is made in India. the U.S. FDA actually tests India made products to limited degree picking on the largest drug makers there, many of which are owned in part by U.S. companies which outsource production there.

A tangled web indeed. Just stay away from the China made crap; no telling what you're getting.

Can the Brojo's track the OP IP address and see where it came from? I'd be very curious who started this thread which was right around the time Galen's speed improved tremendously.

LA 2020 wrote:

Can the Brojo's track the OP IP address and see where it came from? I'd be very curious who started this thread which was right around the time Galen's speed improved tremendously.

What's your theory? I mean one would think it had to be an exinsider but then again I was hearing about shots being given to Rupp when he was still in the junior ranks. What amazes me now is to look back and think their were big rumors throughout.

Weird Science wrote:

How many others are on this stuff? Does it work or is it a placebo like breathe right strips?

Considering the current state of affairs and everything we know, does any resonably sane person think NOP athletes are doping? Btw, Galen Rupp has a solid BP on file, he is the most tested distance runner on the planet, plus NOP does their own more exhustive 'blood' testing and the results are available to USADA. Nose strips, masks, barely legal supplements and medical exemptions are all fair game, but NOP athletes are taking anabolic sterriods or EPO, etc.

LA 2020 wrote:

notroll wrote:

You can buy most anything through Canadian online pharmacies but most of the stuff is made in India. the U.S. FDA actually tests India made products to limited degree picking on the largest drug makers there, many of which are owned in part by U.S. companies which outsource production there.

A tangled web indeed. Just stay away from the China made crap; no telling what you're getting.

Can the Brojo's track the OP IP address and see where it came from? I'd be very curious who started this thread which was right around the time Galen's speed improved tremendously.

My first thought was maybe Magness considering the OP's name as well. But does the time frame fit with when he was there?

rojo wrote:

LA 2020 wrote:

Can the Brojo's track the OP IP address and see where it came from? I'd be very curious who started this thread which was right around the time Galen's speed improved tremendously.

What's your theory? I mean one would think it had to be an exinsider but then again I was hearing about shots being given to Rupp when he was still in the junior ranks. What amazes me now is to look back and think their were big rumors throughout.

I have a theory, this crap should be deleted till there is actually proof.

Hearing that Dobson was toying with that stuff opens my eyes a bit. There has to be so many others.

Here's a scenario:

I have been out of college a few years now but have managed to keep training a bit and ran a 64low HM not too long ago. I am fairly certain I could pass for low T when I am training 110mpw with some quality. Absolutely no sex drive, always tired, moody, hungry, etc. I am also one of those baby-faced dudes who can't grow sh** for body/facial hair and is just small in stature in general.

My question:

Would it really be that easy for me to go to the doctor and get tested? Would a doctor give Androgel to a mid 20s year old guy who probably is only low T due to excessive aerobic exercise? What are everyone's thoughts on the ethics of this? Ryan Hall claims he refused to take any supplementation to help his low T, although I think many of us question things he may have been experimenting with to get his body to such a trashed state.

when i see Jama Aden's athletes breaking world records and wonder about what Dibaba is perhaps on, i look at the Salazar/NOP allegations and laugh. Farah is out in the remote Ethiopian highlands for 6 weeks after not being able to beat garrett heath then runs a 7:39 and i don't see any mystery

if Rupp and friends in Portland aren't using the EPO and other crazy hgh whatever PEDs, I could care less.

i was originally very anti-NOP when the stuff came out last year, but now i am trying to look at things objectively and just do not see things like androgel as the main issue here, dude

sure they are banned, but...dibaba wasn't breathing hard after her 4:13 and the other finishers could barely stand up at the end of their races

watch the hengelo bekele 5k WR video. dude looks like he just woke up after the race. calm. cool, running 3 continuous 4:03 miles

snakeeyes. wrote:

My question:

Would it really be that easy for me to go to the doctor and get tested? Would a doctor give Androgel to a mid 20s year old guy who probably is only low T due to excessive aerobic exercise? What are everyone's thoughts on the ethics of this? Ryan Hall claims he refused to take any supplementation to help his low T, although I think many of us question things he may have been experimenting with to get his body to such a trashed state.

I sure am interested to know what Ryan Hall was doing with thyroid meds with Jeff Brown, as mentioned in the infamous WSJ article, in light of his bizarre physical decline.

Even more interesting would be a tell-all with Patrick Smyth, recent trials 7th? placer. He was an up and comer, then suddenly retired at a very young age, and was also mentioned in the Dr. Jeff Brown article. Did Smyth get a glimpse of the dark underbelly of the sport --and what was required to get to the top--and quit in disgust?

How did he come back to running? Did time off cure his fatigue issues? Is he trying to return "clean"--i.e. without the services of the dubious Dr. Brown? Or did he miss the sport and decide to do whatever it takes, Dr. Brown type BS be damned?

Brojos--do a tell-all with Patrick Smyth--I bet that guy has some insight!

and might Smyth's apparent recovery from career-ending fatigue issues give hope for a similar comeback for Ryan Hall?

distinguished silver-haired ge wrote:

My question:

Would it really be that easy for me to go to the doctor and get tested? Would a doctor give Androgel to a mid 20s year old guy who probably is only low T due to excessive aerobic exercise? What are everyone's thoughts on the ethics of this? Ryan Hall claims he refused to take any supplementation to help his low T, although I think many of us question things he may have been experimenting with to get his body to such a trashed state.

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Oh yeah. Remember that article (in Outside magazine I think) where the age-grouper cyclist easily finds an anti-aging doc and gets put on a medicine chest full of drugs? Testosterone and hGH are easier to get from a doctor than steroids. There's tons of quack docs out there who prescribe testosterone or hGH to normal people with "chronic fatigue" issues or similarly vague complaints.

rojo wrote:

What amazes me now is to look back and think their were big rumors throughout.

They're, there and their. Gdamnit, rojo, it ain't that hard to learn. Turn off the TV for once and read a book!!!!! You make us think that Rupp and Centro aren't the only druggies around here.

I don't understand this love affair that the brosjo have with NOP. Take off the gloves. Letsrun.com should be at the forefront of putting NOPers in jail.

Anyone know who this ashmaster guy is? If you want to bring Salazar/Rupp down this would be a good guy (or girl) to track down and get him to go to the press or the USADA. Nobody has ever said publicly that they saw Salazar's athletes use Androgel. That is a pretty incredible statement.

ashmaster wrote:

I've personally seen these guys using all this stuff

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Oh yeah. Remember that article (in Outside magazine I think) where the age-grouper cyclist easily finds an anti-aging doc and gets put on a medicine chest full of drugs? Testosterone and hGH are easier to get from a doctor than steroids. There's tons of quack docs out there who prescribe testosterone or hGH to normal people with "chronic fatigue" issues or similarly vague complaints.[/quote]

Testosterone IS a steroid. Stop talking about things that you have zero personal experience with. Simple as that.

Just stop. wrote:

Testosterone IS a steroid. Stop talking about things that you have zero personal experience with. Simple as that.

Oh, self-proclaimed expert, tell us all about your "personal" experiences using PEDs. What worked? What didn't work? How much should we take? Will the testers catch us? Where do we get the "goods" at the cheapest price?

Of course it's not hard to get if you are clinically low t. That's the FDA-approved use. You don't need to find an anti aging doctor or a quack. A registered nurse can prescribe it.

Stop. Just. wrote:

Just stop. wrote:

Testosterone IS a steroid. Stop talking about things that you have zero personal experience with. Simple as that.

Oh, self-proclaimed expert, tell us all about your "personal" experiences using PEDs. What worked? What didn't work? How much should we take? Will the testers catch us? Where do we get the "goods" at the cheapest price?

That's kind of a broad question, but I'll answer it as succinctly as possible given my time constraints today. Background: mid tier sprinter from a smaller nation, attended university in The States, 3 time All American, 4x4 at world championships. Will not list my pb's or years as some nosey nancy will have me outed. As a disclaimer, I'm not proud of the fact that I used drugs, but I was young and overly driven. Hubris of youth, I guess. Drugs were pervasive in my era.

What worked? depends if I was gaining mass in the off season. That would just be straight Dianabol. For lean mass in season, Deca stacked with Test (1cc EOD) was the go to. Oral anavar (40mg each day) was also used, but seemed to always be in short supply. Plus anavar is an oral steroid, and is much harder on the liver than injections. It is also detectable for longer periods. Basically, the same goes with winstrol. Each steroid cycle was typically run in an 8 week period (ie prior to outdoor season). We did not emphasize indoors at the program I attended, but used it rather sparingly. The testing was hit and miss as far as who would be tested. During the season, it was completely random and rare. In 4 years, I was never tested in season outside of a meet. From what I surmise, this concept has changed dramatically. The frequency of testing has increased, as has the sensitivity and drugs tested for. The likelihood of getting caught now seems to be magnanimously higher than during my era. This was all pre-internet, so we procured our cycles from a pharmacy just across the border in mexico. anavar was more readily available in Canada, but the border patrol was extremely strict there, especially for a larger guy with an accent.

So, I'm an older guy now, enjoying a good job that my education provided for, and maintain my love for track and field. In no way would I endorse the use of drugs to better your performance, however. Though I haven't had any untoward problems stemming from my use, two of my former teammates have. Enjoy the sport, do your best, and stay away from the junk.

No way wrote:

Not as far as I can tell.

gender neutral wrote:

Are either of these banned?

Then don't post, because you have zero knowledge.

Yes, it is banned.