Finally A Kenyan Fails Dope Test

To change the subject, try the Apex internet place in downtown Iten. Quite reliable. And I don't know where you're going in Eldoret, but it shouldn't take an hour to get online.

John Ngugui's hilarious attempts to avoid off-season drug tests are amusing as hell. Actually, all you have to do is Google this topic and you'll find stories about frustrated WADA officials who end up stuck at airports, "just missing" runners and so on in Ethiopia, Kenya, Morocco. All you have to do is look at Rosa's background, Hermens' background, Kostre's background. Renato knows all of this. It's the same as American sprinters like Carl Lewis being protected for years. People are so naive as to think it has to do with money.

This dude call Canova is lying saying you can wait for get online for about an hour!!!!Be realistic man. Saying ethiopians are better than kenyans is plain hilarious please check da medal count.......4 kenyans 4 gold, 2 ethiopians 4 gold....anytime without two ethiopian(Bekele and Dibaba)they suck big time.....please ever compare us with sorry ethiopians.....look at world chanpionship last year.....kenya was a head of ethiopia.

babich wrote:

It's always about the Kenyans... Why? The Ethiopians are as far ahead of the Kenyans as the Kenyans are of the U.S. No bashing of the Ethiopians?

Actually the Kenyans are way ahead of the Ethiopians if you take all distance and mid-distance events into account. Even in in the 5k and 10k, I'd say Kenya's better once you take out Bekele and Sihine.

stivo wrote:

This dude call Canova is lying saying you can wait for get online for about an hour!!!!Be realistic man. Saying ethiopians are better than kenyans is plain hilarious please check da medal count.......4 kenyans 4 gold, 2 ethiopians 4 gold....anytime without two ethiopian(Bekele and Dibaba)they suck big time.....please ever compare us with sorry ethiopians.....look at world chanpionship last year.....kenya was a head of ethiopia.

Huh? Look at the results from the men's and women's 5/10. The Kenyans won the steeple, barely, and the 800 in a very depleted field. The Ethiopians are better at the 5/10 than the Kenyans. The Moroccans are better then either at the 1500.

When people speak about drug, I always go to repeat the same story. In 2003 I had an athlete, Nicholas Kemboi, having 28'19" in Hengelo. He remained with me in St. Moritz till the end of August, training very hard but not with a program only, but with my eyes on him every day. I was already his coach from 2001, giving programs and following him in Italy for short periods. When we were together for 2 months, I discovered in him qualities I didnt know. So, arranging his training according the NEW qualities I discovered, he was able to run 26'30" in Bruxelles, almost beating Gebre. The guy used (and still uses) to eat only ugali, potatoes, chicken, and to drink milk. Never any integration, never iron, never amminoacids, never anything.

So, do you think somebody can convince me that, using EPO, is possible for a top runner to increase his time of 40.0 >< 1:10 (these are the official data of a research of some year ago) ? If this is true, I give you the list of my best athletes in 10000m, with the correction with EPO :

1) Nicholas Kemboi 26'30" (25'40")

2) Ahmed Hassan 26'38" (25'48")

3) Moses Mosop 26'49" (25'59")

4) Mark Bett 26'52" (26'02")

5) John Korir 26'52" (26'02")

Being the WR 26'17", do you think that all my athletes could be able to destroy it ?

And, if Bekele is on drug, how much could he run WITHOUT any drug ? 26'17" + 50" (so, over 27') ?

In this case, is Bekele less talented than other 30 runners in the World ?

I saw Kenenisa, for the first time, in Monaco (Montecarlo) in 2001, Jos Hermens spoke with me about his great talent. At that time, he was officially junior (I write officially because I don't know one Kenyan or Ethiopian that didn't cut more than 2 years to his real age in the passport), in any case very young, and unknown. He ran 3000m, and I had eyes for him only. With 300m to go, he was no. 9 in the race, after he finished in 37.5 last 300m, arriving 2nd with the WJR of 7'30". I don't think a very young guy could be under drug. So, dont you think that the talent of this guy was ALREADY superior to the talent of other runners ?

And, regarding the test in Kenya (I dont have direct experience in Ethiopia, and I like to talk about what I know directly, only) I can confirm that there are a lot of test out of competition, and that NOBODY living in Rift Valley can use internet for informing IAAF about his whereabout. Are the managers doing this in their office, and so many times the athletes move, for their life, may be from village to village (many of them have 3-4 houses in different villages, or a farm in another place, and go to see the situation without communicating with their manager that, for example, from 10am till 17pm they are there. If the WADA arrives at that time, they wait for 2 hours only, after there is a missed test), without informing anybody. An African wants to feel himself free, and doesn't want to be controlled, not because fears the antidoping, but because is out of their mentality to plan something (like the same hour for training or for staying home). They move according to the feeling of the moment. You can say is not a professional behavior, and I agree, but nothing to do with drug.

And, regarding other posts, for example speaking about Pamela Chepchumba, Im sure that Rosa didnt know anything, because everything happened when she was for a period in Mexico, training with Gomez. Dont forget that FILA had camps everywhere, and Rosa gave very simple training programs, but never could control personally the activity of all the athletes under his management.

Huh? Look at the results from the men's and women's 5/10. The Kenyans won the steeple, barely, and the 800 in a very depleted field. The Ethiopians are better at the 5/10 than the Kenyans. The Moroccans are better then either at the 1500.[/quote]

1:54 is depleted field uh? This is not Kenyan 800m first Gold medal. they have been there before.....without Bekele and Dibaba you guyz are plain piece of sh/t. oh did you watch da marathon???? Gold with 2:06...ethiopian almost died with 300m to go.....and there is nothing like barely..1,2 for women and 1,3 c'mon use ur brain

Coach Canova, thank you for defending and protecting the honor of these great athletes.

please understand that most of those who disagree with you are envious or just plain ignorant.

I believe in the integrity of the African athletes. Of course, like in every society there will be some who will be tempted to cheat, but I know there is no plan in place to have them cheat. Most people in the US don't understand their mentality.

Run47 wrote:

Lagat was saved by science not politics. You need to educate yourself on his unfortunate case. Those that know him closely know he wouldn't dope. See:

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/lagatreport.php

He was saved by science, but he was 100% guilty. He was saved by the same science that saved Marion Jones from her positive test. It's called delaying your b sample, and then having it come up negative. That was the reason he got off. Cheaters knew how to get out of it when they learned their B sample would come out clean if it went long enough without being tested.

Lagat seems like a great person, but has cheated the sport, cheated the olympics, cheated everyone he's ever come in contact with. He is a disgrace to the world of track and field. Not only is he a drug cheat, he competed illegally in teh 2004 olympics lying about what coutnry he was a citizen of. Good riddens to the cheating man.

What the wrote:

stivo wrote:

This dude call Canova is lying saying you can wait for get online for about an hour!!!!Be realistic man. Saying ethiopians are better than kenyans is plain hilarious please check da medal count.......4 kenyans 4 gold, 2 ethiopians 4 gold....anytime without two ethiopian(Bekele and Dibaba)they suck big time.....please ever compare us with sorry ethiopians.....look at world chanpionship last year.....kenya was a head of ethiopia.

Huh? Look at the results from the men's and women's 5/10. The Kenyans won the steeple, barely, and the 800 in a very depleted field. The Ethiopians are better at the 5/10 than the Kenyans. The Moroccans are better then either at the 1500.

My friend,

a depeleted field???????????

Please walk with me. Here we go.

16 World class athletes went to Beijing for the men's 800m.

They are;

1. Ismail Ahmed Ismail SUD

2. Abubaker Kaki SUD

3. Mbulaeni Mulaudzi RSA

4. Gary Reed CAN

5. Yuri Borzakovsky RUS

6. Amin Lalou MOR

7.Nadjim Manseur ALG

8. Yusuf Saad Kamel BRN

9. Nabil Madi ALG

10. Belal Ali Monsoor BRN

11. Abraham Chepkirwok UGA

12. Michael Rimmer GBR

13. Yeimer Lopez CAN

14. Boaz Lalang KEN

15. Alfred Yego Kirwa KEN

16. Wilfred Bungei KEN

Quite a depleted field, right???????????

I have left out other wonderful athletes but the sixteen will suffice.

Out of the 16, the following made the finals;

Name......................SB..................PB

1. Nabil Madi ALG ...... 1:45.62............ 1:44.54

2. Wilfred Bungei KEN ....1:44.90 ............1:42.34

3. Yusuf Saad Kamel BRN ..1:42.79 ............1:42.79

4. Alfred Kirwa Yego KEN .1:44.01 ............1:43.89

5. Gary Reed CAN .........1:43.68 ............1:43.68

6. Yeimer López CUB ......1:43.07 ............1:43.07

7. Ismail Ahmed Ismail SUD 1:44.34 ............1:44.34

8 Nadjim Manseur AlG.......1:44.75 ............1:44.75

Mulaudzi, Kaki, Borza, Chepkirwok are four of many wonderful athletes who didn't make it to the finals.

Of the 8 who were lucky to do it, Kenya got gold and bronze.

Never mind, it was depleted.

OUt of over 20 athletes, only 8 made the finals. it was depleted.

A field of over 20 was depleted to just 8 athletes.

I understand what you mean. Sorry.

Babich wrote: It's always about the Kenyans... Why? The Ethiopians are as far ahead of the Kenyans as the Kenyans are of the U.S. No bashing of the Ethiopians?

What? So are you asking us why there are not articles out there about Ethiopians failing drug tests?