Mens Indoor 1500m Results

Kalpanatit Broderick was brought in to rabbit. When he stepped off the track there was a pileup that caused Sherer to run into the back of Leer. It was amazing that Sherer was even able to regain his momentum and catch the leaders.

juk80x wrote:

Kalpanatit Broderick was brought in to rabbit. When he stepped off the track there was a pileup that caused Sherer to run into the back of Leer. It was amazing that Sherer was even able to regain his momentum and catch the leaders.

This sounds like a "coulda-shoulda-woulda" comment.

And just for the record, Sherer needs a haircut like a crackhead needs a hit. That spiked flat-top would have been hot about the same time MC Hammer was hot.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Sherer is going to be a trend setter. Next time you see Webb on the track, he'll have a spiked flat-top. Word. Oh, and Sarah Hall will have one as well.

Well, as runners like Asbel Kiprop and Leonel Manzano have shown us before, you don't have to have a better PR than someone else to beat that someone else in a championship race.

Manzano out-kicked Lagat last summer to get 2nd at the U.S. championships.

Asbel Kiprop's fastest 1500m was a 3:35, but he got 4th at the world championships last year, beating a host of runners who have run much faster than 3:35.

Manzano has the quick-twitch speed when it comes down to the end, and after a good xc season, I think he will be stronger and faster than last year.

And in the past couple year, Manzano has shown more improvement and stronger finishes and wins than Lukezic, Myers(with the exception of this past week, although the field wasn't all that great either), Ahmed, and others could possibly be vying for a podium spot.

And actually, Manzano's 800m pr is 1:45.

That's pretty fast, and probably much faster than what Myers, Lukezic, or any other current U.S. 1500m runners could run, other than Webb and Lagat.

Jennings had one good race against Lagat, but Manzano has shown more consistent racing at a higher level.

Tell me one sub 3:40 1500m guys with what you would call "slow twitch." I'd say that would be a hard list to compile.

I would say there is little difference between one sub 3:35 guy to the next--especially in the last 150-200m in a typical race.

This means nothing either. Many would say Gruber had a break out year in 2004...and in 2005 he was pretty much off the face of the earth.

When and where did Manzano run a 1:45??

If you are speaking of his 1:45 time trial I will try not to laugh...

I'm not sure what Lukezic's PR is, but I would put him around 1:48-:47 and probably faster if it was his event.

As for Myers--he ran a 1:47 in 2004 in a "tune up" race in Indiana--which qualified him for the Trials in the 800 as well.

Nothing Manzano has done has made him a safe bet in the top 8-10 in this years trials.

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juk80x wrote:

Kalpanatit Broderick was brought in to rabbit. When he stepped off the track there was a pileup that caused Sherer to run into the back of Leer. It was amazing that Sherer was even able to regain his momentum and catch the leaders.

This sounds like a "coulda-shoulda-woulda" comment.

And just for the record, Sherer needs a haircut like a crackhead needs a hit. That spiked flat-top would have been hot about the same time MC Hammer was hot.

I think Sherer might even own some 'Hammer Pants.' No joke. The man is not afraid to be himself.

okay, so you don't have to think that manzano is a safe bet for top 3(or top 10 for that matter), but hold me to my word, so when I'm wrong i will have the opportunity to learn something.

In 2005, Manzano finished 1st at the NCAA 1500m final

In 2006, Manzano finished 3rd at the U.S. Champs

In 2007, Manzano finished 2nd at the U.S. Champs

If I had to bet some money, right now, on a top 3 finish, I would go with Webb, Lagat, Manzano, in that order. Myers will be like Lunn and all the others who make hopeful-looking mid-winter comebacks with top runs and finishes but fade when summer and the big races come around.

Someone needs to notify The 'Horns about Leo's new PR:Collegiate Bests: Indoor Mile Run (3:58.78), Indoor 800 (1:49.26), Outdoor 1,500 (3:35.29), Outdoor 3,000 (8:27.18)

irun wrote:

And actually, Manzano's 800m pr is 1:45.

That's pretty fast, and probably much faster than what Myers, Lukezic, or any other current U.S. 1500m runners could run, other than Webb and Lagat.

Some important pieces of info here:

1) Manzano's 800m PR is 1:49.26 from the Big 12s in 2006.

2) Any discussion of likely top-3 candidates in Eugene should include Lopez Lomong. A guy who can run 1:45 and finish third at NCAA XC is a contender.

3) This will probably be the most competetive race at the trials. Some very good runners will be left home. On the plus side, we're looking at having three legit finalists in Beijing and at least two guys who have tools to medal/win the thing.

irun wrote:

In 2005, Manzano finished 1st at the NCAA 1500m final

In 2006, Manzano finished 3rd at the U.S. Champs

In 2007, Manzano finished 2nd at the U.S. Champs

If I had to bet some money, right now, on a top 3 finish, I would go with Webb, Lagat, Manzano, in that order. Myers will be like Lunn and all the others who make hopeful-looking mid-winter comebacks with top runs and finishes but fade when summer and the big races come around.

Didn't Myers win the US Champs and then finish the Summer quite well at the Trials--and then a 3:53 mile in Germany? Do you call that fading?

Or how about making USA runner-up in the 1500m Indoors--then running for Team USA during Outdoors running a 3:34--faster than Manzano I may add...along with Lukezic.

Then in 2006--some may say Myers had a bit of a bad year and still had faster PRs than Manzano. (3:57 @ Reebok Grand Prix) Lukezic was also faster...

And this goes on and on and on...

And I haven't even mentioned guys that have also showed up Manzano. Hell, Sherer is a no name kid that has a faster PR and it was on an INDOOR track!!!

Go to bed now, son.

Will Leer. He's the man. Great race yesterday!

alright Will Leer-way to rep D3

The way Myers is going to make the team is if the pace is reasonably fast. After Webb and Lagat Myers is America's third fastest active miler (3:53 - London 2005). If it is a slow kicker’s race Myers is venerable. Myers is like Webb in that he needs to go out relatively fast. If he slows down to race Manzano, Myers could be asking for trouble.

Myers in the last few years has let others dictate his racing strategy.

A 3:40 on an indoor track shows Myers probably could run a 3:55 outdoor mile right now. If he is in at least 3:35 1500 meter condition by the trials he has a good chance of making the team.

What happened to Gruber (3:34). He was one of the promising young US 1500 meter runners in the early 2000's

mobile9 is right on. How is Lomong not mentioned? He has won nearly everything he has entered in the last year and a half. I do think tht Manzano could run much faster than 1:49 - likely in the 1:46-47 range.

There are so many very good 1500m runners in the US now. Manzano, Brown, Lomong, Lukezic and Myers all have a very good chance of NOT making the team. Amazing!

Do you honestly think Myers cares more about winning indoor US champs and running fast in meets that don't matter? We got into this argument when debating who would make the Olympic team- not who beat a field without Lagat, Webb, Manzano, Lukezic, Lomong, and others. When was the last time Myers made the world champs or Olympic team for the 1500m? 2005- 3 years ago. Last summer at the US Champs he finished 11th- one spot up from dead last.

Ask Myers if he would rather have been in Osaka instead of winning U.S. indoors or some fast but still middle-of-the-pack mile in Germany.

Again, you keep trying to drive home who has the faster PR's, but PR's don't determine winners and finalists(as exemplified countless times throughout history in many events). Do you understand that yet, or is your next rebuttal going to involve trying to make that point again? It's who shows up on race day, not who wins indoors 4 months prior or who runs a fast mile in Germany at the end of the season.

Manzano has been consistently showing that he is ready to go and finish top 3 at the biggest races of the season for him. And yes, there are quite a few milers who have beat him in the past, even at NCAA's, but when it comes to the big show downs, who's punched his ticket the last two summers? Manzano is improving while Myers is plateuing.

I agree with the above poster that Lomong definitely deserves to have some recognition and be considered a threat for a podium spot, especially with his 800m speed and long distance strength, but Manzano has the speed, the experience, and the know-how. Lomong may stick with the 800m anyway, even though I think he could be competitive in a number of events.

The last time Myers made the team was 3 years ago, but I know this isn't just about Myers. It's about me thinking Manzano has a better chance of making the team while others think his chances are less. Last summer, Lukezic finished more than 1.5 seconds behind Manzano. And Manzano finished 4-5 seconds ahead of the next top collegiate runners in the final. Talk about wanting to be realistic. Let whomever win this and that race, because this and that race are usually or always just part in preparation for the bigger races.

Lomong pr is only 3:37. In this new era of US 1500 meter running that is simply not fast enough. If this were 2000 Lomong would be one of the favorites. Lomong is definitely be somewhere among the top 10 at the trials.

The third spot is anybody's guess this year. Who knows maybe Lomong will shock some people. However, there is a night and day difference between winning major NCAA races and going up against seasoned professionals.

Do you know anything about track? Especially the 1500m? The race at NCAA's was tactical and Lomong won. Who cares that his pr is 3:37? Do you think that he could not have gone faster last year?

I have not seen a result from him since NCAA in XC but if he gets back to his fitness of a year ago or gets more fit then he is DEFINITELY a threat to make the team. 1:45 in 800m, 7:49 in a tactical 3k and 3:37 in a tactical 1500m.

Dauby,

You crack me up. You spend way tooooo much time on letsrun defending our boy Myers and arguing with people. Let the dice tumble and we will see where they lay at the end of the season. Congrats to Rob for the "W"!