3 americans in the 5000 meter final...

Islets of Langerhans is not thyroid (pancreas is the correct organ) or are they a group of Islands of the Scottish coast.

I think Lagat wins if it is slower than 13:20ish, but Kipchoge probably wins if it goes fast.

Teg looks strong enough to hang with the lead pack until the kicking begins. He has a fair shot at top 6-7 if he runs well.

numbers wrote:

I think Lagat wins if it is slower than 13:20ish, but Kipchoge probably wins if it goes fast.

Teg looks strong enough to hang with the lead pack until the kicking begins. He has a fair shot at top 6-7 if he runs well.

Good call; I hope that Lagat pulls off the awesome double!

I am rooting for fellow Missourian Teg to finish top 5-6 and you gotta love gutty Goucher (I saw him take 2nd NCAA XC as a frosh and have been a fan ever since!!!!!!)

This is a golden age for American distance running, best I've ever seen depth-wise. There are quality guys from the 800 (Robinson and Symmonds) to the marathon (Ryan Hall and Meb). The steeple needs some work, but overall U.S. distance has taken off. Real nice to see.

Rank by 5000m PR:

1. Eliud Kipchoge 12:46

2. Tariku Bekele 12:53

3. Abraham Cherkos 12:54

4. Benjamin Limo 12:54

5. Hicham Bellani 12:55

6. Craig Mottram 12:55

7. Bernard Lagat 12:59

8. Moses Kipsiro 13:01

9. Matt Tegenkamp 13:04

10. Mohammed Farah 13:09

11. Adam Goucher 13:10

12. Ali Abdalla 13:10

13. Juan Luis Barrios 13:11

14. Jesus Espana 13:15

15. Felix Kikwai Kibore 13:20

Rank by 2 mile PR:

1. Craig Mottram 8:03

2. Tariku Bekele 8:04

3. Matt Tegenkamp 8:07

4. Eliud Kipchoge 8:07

5. Benjamin Limo 8:10

6. Adam Goucher 8:12

7. Abraham Cherkos 8:16

8. Mohammed Farah 8:20

9. Juan Luis Barrios 8:23

10. Bernard Lagat NR

11. Hicham Bellani NR

12. Moses Kipsiro NR

13. Jesus Espana NR

14. Felix Kiwai Kibore NR

15. Ali Abdalla NR

Rank by 3000m PR:

1. Eliud Kipchoge 7:27

2. Benjamin Limo 7:28

3. Tariku Bekele 7:29

4. Craig Mottram 7:32

5. Abraham Cherkos 7:32

6. Moses Kipsiro 7:32

7. Bernard Lagat 7:33

8. Hicham Bellani 7:33

9. Adam Goucher 7:34

10. Matt Tegenkamp 7:34

11. Juan Luis Barrios 7:37

12. Mohammed Farah 7:38

13. Jesus Espana 7:38

14. Felix Kawai Kibore 7:44

15. Ali Abdalla 7:44

Rank by 1500m PR:

1. Bernard Lagat 3:26

2. Eliud Kipchoge 3:33

3. Hicham Bellani 3:33

4. Craig Mottram 3:33

5. Matt Tegenkamp 3:34

6. Jesus Espana 3:36

7. Adam Goucher 3:36

8. Juan Luis Barrios 3:37

9. Benjamin Limo 3:37

10. Mohammed Farah 3:38

11. Moses Kipsiro 3:42

12. Abraham Cherkos 3:42

13. Ali Abdalla NR

14. Tariku Bekele NR

15. Felix Kiwai Kibore NR

Rank by most championship races won:

Bernard Lagat 5 (never placed lower than 4th in a 1500m final)

Eliud Kipchoge 4 (has beat k. bekele, el guerrouj)

Benjamin Limo 3 (defending champ, 3 2nd place finishes in championship 5000m races, one 3rd place finish)

Craig Mottram 2 (2nd at commonwealths 5000m)

Tariku Bekele 2 (good genes)

Jesus Espana 2 (the wins were in euro champs)

Abraham Cherkos 1 (xc)

Moses Kipsiro 1 (all africans 10k winner)

Juan Luis Barrios 0

Matt Tegenkamp 0

Ali Abdalla 0

Hicham Bellani 0 (never finished higher than 6th in a final)

Mohammed Farah 0

Adam Goucher 0

Felix Kiwai Kibor 0

Nice list, thanks.

FYI, Lagat has run 7:32 indoors in the 3k.

mesfin wrote:

American do not belong here.

do not forget lagat is black and african !!!!

if an white american one this race then kenyan and ethiopian will never and ever compete in the coming olympic or we will cut their head using Bushedo blade by borrowing from Japan we are confident to such extent you moron

You are pathetic.

douglas burke wrote:

2 kenyans eliud kipchoge and 2005 world 5k champ benjamin limo made it.

I'm guessing Felix Kikwai Kibore may not be a native-born Qatari as well.

lagat wins, mottram second, kipchoge third

As one with a thyroid issue too, his problems stemmed from not enough thyroid hormone. There aren't really flare-ups. Once on medication, it's not a problem.

I worry more about him being a little bigger athlete and surviving the heat. He does have the pair of...guts...to hang with Mottram, at least I hope so.

I think a fast pace will shred the field in this heat/humidity and allow an American to sneak in for a bronze, much like Goucher's wife did.

i don't think goucher's thyroid flared up i just think he started kicking a bit too early. he had a good burst of speed from 700m to go until about 350m to go. after that i just think he was out of gas. if you watch the video he really makes a big move and puts on the gas from 700m to go until 500m to go. i think he was just making sure he would get to the final right there.

If you rank them by 10000 PR, Lagat and Mottram are nowhere near in contention, and given heats- I'd say this puts them at a big disadvantage, especially Lagat, if you consider it relevant data.

not having a 10000m time or a good one, didn't seem to matter much to Kipchoge in '03, or El Guerrouj in '04, or Komen in '97, or Richard Limo in '01, or Niyongabo '96. All winners of recent WC and Oly 5000m finals. so I would say it is NOT relevant data.

But unlike all those guys they are nowhere near the top of the current 5000 list.

x-ray wrote:

[Yea, abdi, then lagat, now the most runners from any one country in the 5k final. It's looking good for the US squad.

100 - Gold

200 - Gold/Bronze

400 - ???

800 - :- ???

1500 - Gold

5k - ???

10k - 7th/9th

If we snipe a medal in the 5k and sweep the 400 this will be quite the year. Looking good for 2008.

As an ex-hurdler, I feel a bit neglected that noone has spoken about Clement's impressive win in the 400h. Once (if?) he learns his steps, he will have a shot at the record.

Regardless, add some more U.S. track success.

stat crazy post. Very good work

what are you talking about? Mottram has one of the fastest times this year. Sure Lagat doesn't have a fast time, but does it really matter? ElG didn't post a mark in '04 until the Olympics, and Niyongabo only ran one to qualify for the 5000m early on and wasn't near the top of the list.

edoug wrote:

I would love it if Goucher's wife snuck into my bronze

I don´t think she fancies HS kids.

Lagat will be licking his chops if the pace is slowish.

I think Teg has a great shot at top 5 and maybe a bronze. If he timed his peak correctly.

Goucher is tough as hell, and I really hope he runs well. I just don't think he has it in him to medal. There are too many talented runners in the field with more credentials than him.

But if there is one guy I really wish would medal in this 5k, it's Goucher.