wrongagain wrote:
Sammy Kipketer ran 4:12 for his first mile at the Crescent City Classic the year he ran low 27s there. Get you facts right
Sammy Kipketer once ran his first mile at Carlsbad in 3:59. We're not talking 10K here, bubba.
wrongagain wrote:
Sammy Kipketer ran 4:12 for his first mile at the Crescent City Classic the year he ran low 27s there. Get you facts right
Sammy Kipketer once ran his first mile at Carlsbad in 3:59. We're not talking 10K here, bubba.
Guess you learn something new every day, wrongagain.
http://www.active.com/story.cfm?story_id=1851&sidebar=13&category=running
Anyone have access to Richard Limo's run at Worlds in 2001? It was a slow race until the end. He had to split close to 2:28 for the last kilo...
Your plane is now boarding, wrongagain! Later.
Fastnbulbous wrote:
In one or both of the Prefontaine movies, Pre declared that he would try to win the Olympic 5,000 by running the last mile under 4 minutes.
He made a lot of statements that he couldn't back up. I can go out and declare, "I am going to break the world marathon record!" but that doesn't mean I have a snowball's chance in Hell of doing it. He MAY be one of the top-5 American runners of the early 70's. Shorter, Liquori, Wottle, and Ryun were all superior. He was better with his mouth than with his legs.
Man, I get sick of hearing about this long-dead drunk without even an Olympic bronze when there are SO many Americans who won medals during the 60's and 70's.
f5 wrote:
Your plane is now boarding, wrongagain! Later.
Why would you get on a plane if you\'re wrong? That\'s the dumbest thing I\'ve ever heard of. Seems like a lot of hassle to set up a flight for something this ridiculous.
last 2000m at World Champs Edmonton 2001 was 5:09:59. Limo pulled ahead of Sief with 100m left.
It took Benjamin Limo of Kenya running a last mile of 3.57.7 and a last lap of 53.9 to cement the win. Sileshi Sihine of Ethiopia complemented his silver in the 10,000 with a silver in the 5,000 meters as well. Craig Mottram of Australia, all six feet six of him, was seen charging a 3.57.9 last mile and a last lap of 54.3 to take the bronze in the slowest 5,000-meter men's race in World Champs history, with the medallist all clocking 13:32.
IAAF WC 05
Daniel Komen at Athens 1997 World Championships ran 2:28.34 between 3000-4000m and published media accounts indicated he threw in a sub-4:00 mile in the middle of that race.
IAAF account:
"Watched from the stands by the great Kip Keino, young Daniel Komen won the 5000m tonight like a good Kenyan. He stayed in touch with the early pacemakers until 3,000 metres before unleashing a burst of speed that tore the heart out of his rivals. Komen’s incredible surge meant he covered the third kilometre in 2:28.34, and, with his closest rival some 40 metres behind, he had only to maintain his lead for the gold medal his talent so richly deserves."
well that link seems to have checked out! Am happy to be proven wrong! Proving myself and malmo wrong at the same time, you probably don't realize what an achievement that is.
EXCELLENT WORK!
Viren ran 3:59.8 for his last 1600 in the Munich 5000. It was estimated at 4:01.4 for the full mile, though I'm sure Pre meant (and would have accepted) anything sub-four for his last four laps. In any case, Viren probably could have sliced another second or two, even if Prefontaine had run sub-4:00 for 1609m.
malmo was answering a specific posit about a particular athlete, not whether it had ever been done at all -- at least according to my reading.
Per TFN, Mottram split 4;04.0/3;59.5
Fastnbulbous wrote:
In one or both of the Prefontaine movies, Pre declared that he would try to win the Olympic 5,000 by running the last mile under 4 minutes. Quite a bold declaration. Had he actually done so, he certainly would have won. He ran it in 4:04 for a very respectable 4th place. It blows my mind that anyone could conceive of finishing a 5k with a sub-4. Craig Mottram didn't even do it in his 8:03 2 mile at the Prefontaine meet, yet he logged the 6th fasted 2 mile ever.
I've found it impossible to find any consistent source for split times, but I figured if anyone knew, it would be someone here.
f5 wrote:
well that link seems to have checked out! Am happy to be proven wrong! Proving myself and malmo wrong at the same time, you probably don't realize what an achievement that is.
EXCELLENT WORK!
Especially good work in light of f5's annoyingly self-righteous comments througout this thread.
The 3k split at the 2004 olympic final was 8:10.81 and the winning time was 13:14.39
the last 2k was in 5:03. now tell me that they didn't run sub 4 for the last mile.
f5 wrote:
Then do some research and prove it. I've already researched it and I can tell you it has never been done. By anyone.
Nice. Always fun to see an arrogant jerk get proven wrong.
rungeekopopolis wrote:
The 3k split at the 2004 olympic final was 8:10.81 and the winning time was 13:14.39
the last 2k was in 5:03. now tell me that they didn't run sub 4 for the last mile.
and the 4k split was 10:48.62
that's a 2:25 last 1k.
By my estimations EL G scorched the last mile in 3:55!
rungeekopopolis wrote:
Wasn't the last 400m of the 2004 olympic 5k run 52? The last mile of that race had to be sub 4.
Yes and no. The final lap was in 52, but I just hand-timed the final 1600 in 4:01.3. They were running "pedestrian" 62s and 63's before that. I love the comment made by the commentator (I think Marty Liquori) referring to Hicham el-Guerrouj, "He could eat a candy bar while running a 63." Thanks for giving me an excuse to pull out an old tape and rewatch the race.
I would need to see the 400 splits for that 2005 WC race before I completely believe the last 1600 was faster than 3:58.2. These are the 1000m splits:
1000m--2:54.47
2000m--5:39.40
3000m--8:27.74
4000m--11:06.41
5000m--13:32.55
Some of my figurings:
(est) 3400m 9:31.208---9:34.35 (67.01 lap from 3000--3400m)?
(est) 3800m 10:34.676
Last 2000m = 5:04.81
Last 1000m = 2:26.14
3000m--4000m = 2:38.67
Last 1600m = 4:01.342 estimated
2005 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
5000 METERS —
FINAL
(August 14)
(temperature 17C/63F; humidity 82%)
1. Benjamin Limo (Kenya) ..........................13:32.55
(slowest-ever WC winner)
(70.7, 69.9 [2:20.6], 69.6 [3:30.2], 62.1 [4:32.3], 67.3 [5:39.6],
68.2 [6:47.8], 66.3 [7:54.1], 67.7 [9:01.8], 63.5 [10:05.3],
61.5 [11:06.8], 62.1 [12:08.9], 57.9 [13:06.8], 25.8)
(2:54.5, 2:45.1 [5:39.6], 2:48.3 [8:27.9], 2:38.9 [11:06.8], 2:25.8)
(12.8, 25.8, 53.8, 1:54.6, 2:56.3, 3:57.5)
2. Sileshi Sihine (Ethiopia) .........................13:32.81
(71.0, 69.9 [2:20.9], 69.6 [3:30.5], 62.0 [4:32.5], 67.4 [5:39.9],
67.7 [6:47.6], 67.0 [7:54.6], 67.5 [9:02.1], 63.1 [10:05.2],
61.4 [11:06.6], 62.2 [12:08.8], 57.8 [13:06.6], 26.2)
(2:54.7, 2:45.2 [5:39.9], 2:48.2 [8:28.1], 2:38.5 [11:06.6], 2:26.2)
(13.5, 26.2, 54.2, 1:55.1, 2:56.9, 3:57.7)
3. Craig Mottram (Australia) ......................13:32.96
(Australia’s first top-8 finisher)
(71.7, 70.1 [2:21.8], 69.2 [3:31.0], 62.3 [4:33.3], 67.0 [5:40.3],
68.3 [6:48.6], 66.2 [7:54.8], 67.7 [9:02.5], 63.2 [10:05.7],
61.6 [11:07.3], 61.8 [12:09.1], 57.7 [13:06.8], 26.2)
(2:55.3, 2:45.0 [5:40.3], 2:48.0 [8:28.3], 2:39.0 [11:07.3], 2:25.7)
(13.4, 26.2, 54.3, 1:54.9, 2:56.4, 3:57.6)
4. Eliud Kipchoge (Ken) 13:33.04 (defending champ)
(71.3, 69.9 [2:21.2], 69.6 [3:30.8], 62.2 [4:33.0], 67.0 [5:40.0],
68.1 [6:48.1], 66.2 [7:54.3], 68.0 [9:02.3], 63.2 [10:05.5],
61.3 [11:06.8], 62.1 [12:08.9], 58.0 [13:06.9], 26.1)
(2:55.1, 2:44.9 [5:40.0], 2:48.0 [8:28.0], 2:38.8 [11:06.8], 2:26.2)
(13.4, 26.1, 54.4, 1:55.2, 2:57.0, 3:57.8)
5. Ali Saïdi-Sief (Alg) 13:33.25
(13.5, 26.2, 54.4, 1:55.0, 2:56.9, 3:57.8)
6. John Kibowen (Ken) 13:33.77
13.4, 26.5, 54.7, 1:55.3, 2:56.9, 3:58.1)