Oregon 5k

Watched the race from a friends binoculars. Rupp looked fresh as if he were in a 10k and had allot of reserve off a slow pace. He had a lot of run left and took control with I believe was at 800 to go. Then it was all business. Rupp lost some concentration, lost some ground to Solinsky but going into the last 100 he became inspired after seeing Solinsky struggle to maintain form. He blew the doors of Solinsky at the tape. Best Rupp race of his career and looks fresh doing it. The kid's has a lot more growth in my opinion. How much more is to be seen.He was Hayward's hero this night. Congratulations G. Rupp!! You put on a good show tonight.

Rupp reeled in Solinsky, imagine that! Was so sick to watch..

Inspired by Rupp wrote:Best Rupp race of his career and looks fresh doing it.

It was a good race, but far from the greatest of his career. His 1337 in HS far outweighs this, so does his 749 3k as a frosh and his 2815 where he ran teh second half all alone with a huge 1357 negative split on the second half. Those are his three best races of his career so far no question. The fact that he won this race is irrelevant...that's bound to happen when he gets older with the talent he has.

That said i hope he goes sub 1320 this year and 2740...or maybe even challenge Ritz's 10k record if he gets into the right race.

Yes, he has been semi-hurt lately. Still the hip area from what I know, the poor guy has pretty much been injured since he ran well that red-shirt freshman year 2 seasons ago. Just healthy enough to run 14 lows and get all-american in XC but not healthy enough to train like you need to at his level.

Sucks, I hope he gets back training full on, the guy has so much talent and is a tough ass racer.

Mrr82 wrote:

[quote]IThe fact that he won this race is irrelevant...that's bound to happen when he gets older with the talent he has.

The fact he won this race is irrelevent? The fact that Rupp, who is much hated and maligned as no good anymore, beat Solinsky, who is the defending NCAA champ and loved by all, is certainly noteworthy! He's showing that he's back on pace like he was 2 years ago and that he's not just a great time trialer, hence beating a horse like Solinsky.

I think that the fact that he beat Solinsky at his own game (hard last 800) is telling (giving slack to Solinsky as this is his first significant outdoor race, and Rupp no doubt had thousands of home fans screamoing their lungs out on his behalf)).

I have seen Rupp try to put the move on much earlier in races in times past, and in doing so sets himself up to be knocked over even by those who lack a stinging kick, like Solinsky. It seems that this time Rupp restrained until the last two laps for a long but focused kick and it paid off. All of this, combined with McDougal's run last weekend, sets up some pretty interesting races at NCAAs this year over 5 and 10.

If Solinsky had defeated Rupp, this thread would be twice as long.

How true, everyone would be saying what a pussy Rupp is and how he'll never win when it matters. They'd bash him for doing leg kicks, helping Goucher in a 10k, not racing the right way etc. Way to go Rupp! As someone said, the NCAA 5k could be sick this year.

rupp beating solinsky is the big news here, because solinsky is a great racer and rupp has only been good in the past at losing in fast times. the 7 second pr is only a by-product of the great shape he must be in. this is really unexpected and bodes well for rupp's career in two ways, that he will continue to improve and that he has the potential to win high-level american races.

Yes, NCAA's should be very fun and interesting. I don't know which runners, if any, plan on doubling in the 5 and 10, but I could see Rupp doing that to get in some extra team points. Unfortunately, they'll probably have him focus more on the 10 than the 5, as they probably should. If McDougal, Rupp, Summerside, Rohatinsky, and Solinsky (all 13:30 or better) were in the 5000, that would be sweet, but Rupp, Rohatinsky, McDougal, and maybe even Summerside are all probably going to run the 10. Should be interesting either way.

This race was amazing. I should have video up either tonight or tomorrow.

They left out the split for lap 4, but they're also missing a 200m split(either the first or the last), but what I get is, for the splits given, 13:00.1 (that's for 4800m) and so I guess the last 200m they must have run it in 30.xx seconds, meaning, if this is correct, they ran the last 1000m in something like 2:33.1...? Can anyone else confirm this or should it be something else?

Does anyone have any information about Luchini making a comeback? He was one of the top 10k runners in the nation in his senior year and then he gave up running from what I understood.

randy flagg wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

[quote]IThe fact that he won this race is irrelevant...that's bound to happen when he gets older with the talent he has.

The fact he won this race is irrelevent? The fact that Rupp, who is much hated and maligned as no good anymore, beat Solinsky, who is the defending NCAA champ and loved by all, is certainly noteworthy! He's showing that he's back on pace like he was 2 years ago and that he's not just a great time trialer, hence beating a horse like Solinsky.

Hated and Maligned as no good anymore? By what authority? The fact that he's been running great this year with several indoor prs should have already showed he was still good to anyone with half a brain. Only his injury starting in XC last year that derailed his season has been a mistep from his greatness on the track.

There is no such thing as someone who is just a time trialer. It's a bullshit phrase used by people who don't understand how running works. Someone who has the fastest pr but doens't win in a slower tactical race does not make them a timetrialer. It means the person who wins has more speed and less endurance. Salazar has stated that Rupp can't break 26 in a 200...whereas i'm not sure i believe that it does show he doesn't have speed. Doesn't make him a "time trialer" it means he will lose under certain conditions and win under others. Rupp has NEVER just been a time trialer. He's just almost always lost to superior competition. NOT two in the same. He's shown he can push the pace with people in the race, without people in the race, or sit behind and outkick, or get dragged to a fast time, he's done it all.

His 10k at nats against chesserett was a great example. He dind't win the race, but he shouldn't have anyways! He made that race, did not sit and get dragged, but in the end lost to a superior runner speed and endurance wise, but eliminate all the speed guys without his endurance which was his plan. Anyways who says he's just a good time trialer doesn't understand how runnign works, and has turned a blind eye to several of his races, and how they unfolded.

Sorry to get your blood pressure up Mrr82, I forgot how seriously you take everything here and on Dyestat. You simply made the ignorant statement that his winning this race was irrelevant. It's NOT irrelevant that Rupp beat the defending champ.

Question:

if a non kicker like Rupp, outkicks Solinsky, who I thought had a bit of a kick, what does this say about 2 of our future hopefuls on the international scene?

Answer: it means they get left in the dust the last 400m of any big race.

hate to be a pessimist, but I'm looking at the big picture and bring some 'reality' to the peeps here, who will be talking Olympic medals for our guys before the year is out.

I think it says that Solinsky tied up badly and Rupp showed he can finish strong. You're the only one talking about either of them in the same sentence as top international competition right now. Don't get ahead of yourself.

hate to say it, but you are trying to make predictions based on one race. that ain't too bright.

damn.. wrote:

Question:

if a non kicker like Rupp, outkicks Solinsky, who I thought had a bit of a kick, what does this say about 2 of our future hopefuls on the international scene?

Answer: it means they get left in the dust the last 400m of any big race.

hate to be a pessimist, but I'm looking at the big picture and bring some 'reality' to the peeps here, who will be talking Olympic medals for our guys before the year is out.

If Solinsky had not tied up, how much faster would his time have been? If it was 3 seconds (which is a lot at that pace) then he would have it 2:30 for his last 1000m, which is pretty good for finishing strength off of a strong pace this early in the season. (Presumably, Solinsky had to ease back some off of the indoor season and is now starting his build up for Nationals (both NCAA and USATF).

I agree with those that say this is an important non-championship race for Rupp; a win, a very good last 1000 and apparently looking pretty fresh, considering.