video? webcast?
video? webcast?
Guess what dude, that's what happens when you post under the same name all the time. Sometimes you're wrong.
abdi is hardly on the downside of his career. i don't know how you can say that when he was the top guy in 2006 from 10k through the marathon. he is only 28! how is that downslide.
goucher has put together two pretty good years in a row. whenever you are running 1310 in back to back years id say you are doing pretty good. throw in a 6th place at wxc and that is hardly a downslide. if the last two years have shown us anything, its that goucher is back with a vengeance and has many good years left to make some noise.
culpepper is the elder statesman, he's 34. he's been quiet for awhile but with his performance saturday he might be ready to have a monster year. he had talked about pr'ing in the 5k/10k and he could do it. he could very well make the olympics again at 10k or the marathon.
with your logic i guess we should count deena out too. she's 33 and too old to make anything happen on the world stage anymore. she should quit while she's still on top. note: colleen de reuck was late 30's when she made the olympics in 2004.
Love the junior men's info. All four DNFers (cough-Acosta-cough) went out with the lead pack. Heath ran smart, 4-5 seconds off the fast first K.
Impressive Win Culp wrote:
When the hell is Ritz going to be honest with himself. I've never seen such fade in a 12k. 31 seconds between his fastest and his slowest, with an astounding slow lap of 3:22. It shows that he still thinks in far bigger terms than he can actually deliver. It further shows that we shouldnt expect much of him in the marathon before he wises up a bit. The sage marathoners kicked ass, and the 'fast' guys looked inexperienced, arrogant and foolish.
I can't really disagree with what you said, because it's true. But if I was a coach, I wouldn't want to take away the brash confidence from a runner. Ritz still finished 3rd.
Also, notice Culp's splits when keeping in mind how he "came back" on everyone. More like everyone "fell back to him".
Alan Culpepper 2:54.38 3:00.76 3:04.46 3:08.87 3:04.55 3:07.94 3:07.48 3:10.50 3:07.26 3:08.34 3:04.53 3:09.48 37:08.55
Impressive Win Culp wrote:
When the hell is Ritz going to be honest with himself. I've never seen such fade in a 12k. 31 seconds between his fastest and his slowest, with an astounding slow lap of 3:22. It shows that he still thinks in far bigger terms than he can actually deliver. It further shows that we shouldnt expect much of him in the marathon before he wises up a bit. The sage marathoners kicked ass, and the 'fast' guys looked inexperienced, arrogant and foolish.
disagree almost completely. he blitzed the field - exactly what he should have done with a race at altitude. sure, he faded badly, but only two guys caught him. personally, i think props should be given to culpepper. i don't think anyone - including ritz - took him as a particularly serious contender for the win. ritz's plan seemed to be about beating goucher (obviously he didn't want to get into a kick situation with goucher). that failed but, with the advantage of hindsight, i really don't see how a different (i.e., slower/evener) strategy would have achieved a different result. goucher was able to withstand the early pace and culpepper showed his obvious strength.
Chuck,
I usually agree however not this time. You do not take the kick out of someone in the first k. It is by making the 7th-10th k extremely hard. Ritz's strategy took the fight out of Ritz when it mattered the most.
at altitude you do. you've never met oxygen debt before until you've gone out too fast at altitude. he tried to put goucher and everyone else out of it early; he failed with respect to two athletes. there's no shame in failing in a well-constructed strategy.
This is where seasoned coaching and respect for your competition come into play. Ritz has routinely underestimated his competitors, which is simply a sign of his arrogance and disrespect of others. He races like he is still in high school, he should have stayed at CU and learned how to race. But, Dathan obviously knows best, because a guy like Wetmore certainly has nothing to offer a guy like himself. He didn't want to listen to Wetmore's advice and went "pro" - yes, he is picking up a paycheck, but is racing like a school boy. Until something changes fundamentally, this will happen over, and over and over. Dathan is arguably the most talented runner to emerge in the US in the last 10 years; others are doing more with less talent; and he will continue to pi$$ it away until something changes.
On a side note, big props for his staying healthy for more than 6 months.
i think props should be given to culpepper. i don't think anyone - including ritz - took him as a particularly serious contender for the win. ritz's plan seemed to be about beating goucher (obviously he didn't want to get into a kick situation with goucher). that failed but, with the advantage of hindsight, i really don't see how a different (i.e., slower/evener) strategy would have achieved a different result. goucher was able to withstand the early pace and culpepper showed his obvious strength.
hahaha, obviously math is not your strong suit. just curious, who's the 5th?.....in the top TEN....oh, i see some guy who finished almost 2min behind in FIFTEENTH. yes, makes perfect sense. of course, the local triathlon coach probably has 5 out of the top 15 at any given local road race so.....
Coaches corner wrote:
5 out of the top 10 runners were coaches by the same guy. hmmmm. Any guesses who?
1 Alan Culpepper Nike Lafayette CO 34 37:09
2 Adam Goucher Nike Portland OR 31 37:35
3 Dathan Ritzenhein Nike Boulder CO 24 37:47
4 Jorge Torres Reebok Boulder CO 26 38:07
5 Michael Spence New Balance Ogden UT 28 38:15
6 Zach Sabatino New York Athletic Club Morgantown WV 23 38:16
7 Fasil Bizuneh New Balance Flagstaff AZ 26 38:24
8 James Carney New Balance Marina CA 28 38:25
9 Jason Lehmkuhle Minneapolis MN 29 38:26
10 Edwardo Torres Reebok Boulder CO 26 38:31
11 Andrew Carlson Team USA Minnesota / Asics Minneapolis MN 24 38:33
12 Matthew Gabrielson Reebok Minneapolis MN 28 38:42
13 Celedonio Rodriguez Reebok Alamosa CO 26 38:44
14 Ryan Shay Saucony East Jordan MI 27 38:46
15 Jason Hartmann Nike Boulder CO 25 38:46
Josh Moen 2:53.55 3:15.97 3:14.88 4:10.55 3:29.28 3:46.28 dnf
6:09.52 9:24.40 13:34.95 17:04.23 20:50.51
What is with a 4:10 K in between a 3:14 and 3:30?
probably a fall and/or lost a shoe.
well i hope so if i had altitude trained runners competing in their backyard.
it would been a different story if these champs were held in Miami or San Diego!
Alan Arkin wrote:
I really think that if anyone one of those junior girls could've chilled and not tried to sprint down Hasay in the first 800m, they could have caught her because she died big-time...
I don't think so. All of the top girls had fairly even splits, so it doesn't appear the fast start hurt them too badly. Hasay just kicked their butts.
Name 1K 2K 3K 4K 5K 6K Final
Jordan Hasay_ 3:18.85 3:31.11 3:36.21 3:43.02 3:39.79 3:54.52 21:43.50
Bona Jones__ 3:26.61 3:39.82 3:40.37 3:42.28 3:42.86 3:45.42 21:57.36
Kari Hardt____ 3:26.07 3:39.39 3:41.27 3:42.91 3:44.03 3:49.92 22:03.59
Aurora Scott__ 3:26.34 3:39.35 3:40.92 3:43.60 3:44.00 3:51.08 22:05.29
Jocelyn Burke_ 3:24.06 3:41.43 3:42.32 3:50.57 3:49.34 3:47.67 22:15.39
Aislinn Ryan__ 3:26.60 3:39.83 3:40.61 3:43.06 3:44.25 4:04.45 22:18.80
Kinsey Farren_ 3:27.90 3:41.13 3:46.21 3:54.08 3:48.32 3:54.80 22:32.44
Keri Bland____ 3:24.34 3:41.68 3:47.90 3:55.74 3:56.37 3:52.31 22:38.34
Kristen McGlynn3:33.02 3:46.47 3:49.41 3:55.48 3:52.02 3:44.16 22:40.56
Jessica Pixler__ 3:26.01 3:35.74 3:42.05 3:48.42 4:01.05 4:11.19 22:44.46
Josh lost one shoe in Jonesy's Surprise and headed back to get it and then jogged holding one shoe. He eventually got his spike back on. Then on the next trip through the ditch, he lost the other shoe!
I can't say I know much about Michael Spence in 5th (other than the little I've read since the race), but looking at the splits, he ran a fantastic race. He ran very consistent kilos, and ran the fastest last kilo of the race while catching 5 runners over the last loop. Impressive.
Culpepper ran a great, even race. The first (and second?) k = quick. then he slowed it down a bit and kept it between 3:04 and 3:10. sure, he didn't negative split but he ran even throughout. that's not always easy to do in a big race!
Spence ran a decently even race also.
Big up to ya'll!
catherine wrote:
Culpepper ran a great, even race. The first (and second?) k = quick. then he slowed it down a bit and kept it between 3:04 and 3:10. sure, he didn't negative split but he ran even throughout. that's not always easy to do in a big race!
My post was not taking anything away from Culp at all (not sure if you thought I was trying to). Without being at the race, the impression was he really turned it on in the latter stages, when in fact the guys ahead of him drastically slowed up.
[quote]Flagpole Willy wrote:
Culpepper did well with this victory of his, but I think his best has already happened. Still need to hope for better things to come from that under 30 group.
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congrats you pretty much just assured the fact that culp will win the OT thon and the OT 10k
Duh - the course was going to hell with every extra degree, every minute - the lead vehicle didn't even finish the race. It went from totally frozen to a quagmire in four hours. The course changed dramatically even from the start to the finish of the men's race. I should know - I was standing in the goo.