Selling a Boston Bib?

wow, steve, you need to relax a bit man. National running results for a 3:10 marathon? I highly doubt it. Daily newspapers? Maybe, but all that would be there would be the name. It's not like some huge article would be written for that runner. If he can find someone to run the race for him, more power to him.

What if the guy who couldn't qualify for Boston were to run the race of his life and qualify for the trials? What then? Or what if he cured cancer while running the course under your name? You'd feel pretty silly trying to expalin that one, wouldn't you.

Hey, midwesta, I AM relaxed, but you're STILL wrong...if you believe it's OK to run BOSTON under someone else's name. (Bet you were a big fan of Rosie Ruiz!! You know, what she did was "kinda" wrong, but what the heck!!) You are ignorant about the media. I don't know where you live, but if you (illegally) "ran" a 3:10 Boston Marathon, in Minneapolis your name would make our beloved Star Tribune Sports results page. While, it wouldn't be "Front Page news", thousands of people would think you ran a much better race than you could. That's dishonest, man. Now, relax and think about that!!

midwesta wrote:

wow, steve, you need to relax a bit man. National running results for a 3:10 marathon? I highly doubt it. Daily newspapers? Maybe, but all that would be there would be the name. It's not like some huge article would be written for that runner. If he can find someone to run the race for him, more power to him.

man, you're a huge dork. get a life.

turn right wrote:

man, you're a huge dork. get a life.

Wow, I'm kind of amazed at the number of people who apparently think this is ethical. Kind of makes me wonder about all those times I've had to reconfirm my E-Bay account info...

apparently, you need a life as well. somebody paid for a race entry, so the race organizers aren't out any money. nobody is stealing or hurting anyone.

who the f--- cares if people believe one person ran what someone else really did? does it matter? i'll give you a hint...no, i'll just go ahead tell you...NO! it doesn't matter. until the person who didn't run starts claiming a great result as their own on a resume or something like that, it doesn't matter.

seriously. are you people adults? don't you have anything more important to worry about? letting someone use your bib is in no way comparable to someone stealing your identity on ebay.

turn right (or left?): I question YOUR maturity level when you call someone a "Huge dork" with only the superficial knowledge gathered on this forum. I may disagree with you, but I will not disrespect you. ( I don't mind my wife referring to my "huge dork", but not you!!) You have a very casual, scary, idea of right and wrong. As I've said, it is NOT right to claim a running performance that you have not earned. I hope you are an aberation on this website, not in the mainstream. (BTW, it was very considerate of you to be concerned about "my life"; it is very good, thank you!!)

here is the situation:

a guy buys a race entry. he can't use it. he wants to sell it. that way, he won't lose money, and someone else will get the opportunity to participate.

any "mature" adult with "a life" would not give this a second thought. again, nobody is getting hurt. running a race is only a weekend activity for most normal people. apparently, for some it is the defining moment of their lives (or at least the year).

I'm pretty sure that the fee of the race is the responsibility of the BAA and not necessarily the independently contracted race director.

turn right wrote:

here is the situation:

a guy buys a race entry. he can't use it. he wants to sell it. that way, he won't lose money, and someone else will get the opportunity to participate.

any "mature" adult with "a life" would not give this a second thought. again, nobody is getting hurt. running a race is only a weekend activity for most normal people. apparently, for some it is the defining moment of their lives (or at least the year).

Here is the situation:

When a guy buys a race entry, he agrees to to the rules set by the race. In those rules, it states the entry is non transferable. He can't sell it, he knows it, but he is being a pussy and trying to weasel out of an agreement he made with the BAA,

Any "mature" adult with "a life" would never think of trying to sell the bib, because it is against the rules he agreed to. Running is a weekend activity for normal people and so is entering a race like Boston. The defining moment is when you decide whether you want to abide by the word you gave or weasel your way out of it.

Finally, to the loser that started this thread. Since you have a boo boo and can't run this year, have you called the BAA to ask if you can defer the entry til next year? Do you know the will do that on occasion? Or are you just trying to get 100 bucks back to buy a new playstation?

turn right: it appears that everyone needs to "get a life", except, of course, you!! No, it DOES matter if you claim a false time, whether it's written on a resume or told at a cocktail party! Is there a certain time that you can lie?... as you say. I hope that, someday, you get that.It also matters that you abide by the rules governing the event you signed up for, which clearly state numbers are NOT Transferable. For God's sake, if you want to run Boston, train harder and qualify! If you can't qualify for Boston, lay down the plastic for another marathon that doesn't have qualifications. (There are a few out there.) And don't procrastinate to the point that the race closes, and you have to go the "black-market route", blaming everyone but yourself!!

turn right wrote:

apparently, you need a life as well. somebody paid for a race entry, so the race organizers aren't out any money. nobody is stealing or hurting anyone.

who the f--- cares if people believe one person ran what someone else really did? does it matter? i'll give you a hint...no, i'll just go ahead tell you...NO! it doesn't matter. until the person who didn't run starts claiming a great result as their own on a resume or something like that, it doesn't matter.

seriously. are you people adults? don't you have anything more important to worry about? letting someone use your bib is in no way comparable to someone stealing your identity on ebay.

As an economist I feel as if the BAA is interferring with the free market of bib selling. In fact if I were any drunker I'd even say that they have a monopoly on the bib selling business and are violating the Sherman anti-trust act through restraining the trade of bib numbers between statelines.

There's a market for the bib. The transaction is a transfer of rights. If the BAA is so fearful of someone selling their bib, they should outbib . . .out bid the buyer or maybe refund the seller.

If that's the case, then you suck as an economist.

To all the people who say it's alright to sell a Boston bib, none of you have come up with any response to the fact that transferring bibs is against the rules. Even if you say it's a dumb rule, by transferring the bib you're still breaking it.

The one thing I love about Boston is that because it has a qualifying time, everyone tries any excuse to get a number because it's so "special". It's just a race, if you can't qualify to run it, who cares? There are marathons out there almost every weeend of the year.

"turn right" -- it's not a transfer of rights. The contract -- payment in exchange for participation in the race -- is unique to the original parties and nontransferrable. No others not partyu to the original agreement can claim any rights.

Or if you prefer, by your logic, the BAA would be within their rights to ship your a--- off to the Woods and Lakes 10k in Mountain Lakes, NJ against your will that weekend instead of having you in their race.

"noob" -- I assume you are kidding, though I have known ecomomists dumb enough to write something like that seriously, when sober.

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Steve Hoag wrote:

No, it DOES matter if you claim a false time, whether it's written on a resume or told at a cocktail party! Is there a certain time that you can lie?... as you say. I hope that, someday, you get that.It also matters that you abide by the rules governing the event you signed up for, which clearly state numbers are NOT Transferable. For God's sake, if you want to run Boston, train harder and qualify! If you can't qualify for Boston, lay down the plastic for another marathon that doesn't have qualifications. (There are a few out there.) And don't procrastinate to the point that the race closes, and you have to go the "black-market route", blaming everyone but yourself!!

the only thing i clearly agree with here is that only people who are fast enough for boston should run there.

otherwise, my point is that most people who want to get into a race, even if that means buying a bib from some poor injured soul who can't use it, aren't doing it to lie about race times. they just want to participate. and the person who sells it isn't searching around for the fastest bidder so that he can tell his buddies he ran fast.

your first post on this thread was ridiculous (if i remember correctly). you saw a good time by your buddy's name in some results, and you were happy for him. then (OH MY GOD!) you found out it wasn't his time!!!! holy crap! stop the presses! forget about the mess in Iraq! this is unbelievable, and i feel violated for just having heard about such a crime...

now seriously, nobody is talking about lying...and if they are...who cares...it's just a stupid race and if someone is really going to claim another's time as their own then let them live in their little fantasy land.

and i stand by my point that people who would get worked up about this need to start figuring out what is important in life. it is certainly not a result from your local marathon.

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and you missed sarcasm.

Hoag, you need to relax because you're using exclamation points like it's your job, which makes you sound like a fifteen year old. In regards to your "beloved" tribune, of the thousands of people who actually read it, how many do you think would actually skim the results? Ok, a handful. Now, how many of that handful would know the person in question? Even less. Also, the fact he has a sub 3 hour marathon means he probably won't be getting someone who's as fast as he is, so th likelihood of a pr is pretty much nil. Also, I fail to see how he's being a pussy because he doesn't want to lose a hundred bucks. Finally, multiple period guy, the "loser" who started this thread already said if he defers, he loses the 100 bucks. So how about you read the original post so you don't sound like an idiot? Regardless, I gotta go with turn right here. I know I wouldn't want to lose a hundred bucks, since that's actually quite a bit of money. So I hope he can sell that bib.