Wrong, but at least you are smarter than your precious Artificial Ignoramus, for those of you who actually rely on AI.
AI Overview A standard 3000m steeplechase lap is 390 or 395 meters, depending on whether the water jump is built inside or outside the track's main oval.
Athletes run 7.5 laps total. Because the water jump (which features a barrier placed over a sloped water pit) takes up extra space, the track geometry requires a specialized steeplechase path
* Inner Water Jump: If the water jump is positioned on the inside of lane 1, a "steeple lap" is 390 meters. The total race requires one partial lap (approx. 230m without barriers) plus exactly 7 full 390m laps.
*Outer Water Jump: If the water jump is located on the outside of the track's outer lane, the lap distance will be 395 meters.
During each lap, runners must clear five obstacles: four fixed wooden barriers (hürdles) and one water jump. Over the entire 3000m distance, athletes will clear a total of 28 standard barriers and 7 water jumps.
Wrong, but at least you are smarter than your precious Artificial Ignoramus, for those of you who actually rely on AI.
AI Overview A standard 3000m steeplechase lap is 390 or 395 meters, depending on whether the water jump is built inside or outside the track's main oval.
Athletes run 7.5 laps total. Because the water jump (which features a barrier placed over a sloped water pit) takes up extra space, the track geometry requires a specialized steeplechase path
* Inner Water Jump: If the water jump is positioned on the inside of lane 1, a "steeple lap" is 390 meters. The total race requires one partial lap (approx. 230m without barriers) plus exactly 7 full 390m laps.
*Outer Water Jump: If the water jump is located on the outside of the track's outer lane, the lap distance will be 395 meters.
During each lap, runners must clear five obstacles: four fixed wooden barriers (hürdles) and one water jump. Over the entire 3000m distance, athletes will clear a total of 28 standard barriers and 7 water jumps.
Measure the distance from the steeple start to the 200m start and use arithmetic to get the lap distance.
Wrong again. All tracks aren't the same. There is no standard 30m difference (395.7m per lap) between the steeple start (200m) and each subsequent steeple lap. For simplicity's sake use 35m, so that 35/7 = 5m per lap difference. Or do the same for an outside waterjump.
I must be missing how the lap with an outside barrier can be less than 400 m
You aren't missing anything. That was what your precious AI said.
Soon an entire generation will be educated by Artificial Ignoramus. AI is just stoopid.
AI doesn't have the qualities to be stupid or not stupid. It's fed by humans. Yes, it can make mistakes, but it can also provide incredibly accurate information with the click of a button. It's simply how you use it. And it's getting more and more accurate as every month goes on.
obviously as a coach, ive been to facilities with different configurations. I've seen one or two outside pits. I've seen a pit that's on the opposite end of the track, past the start/finish line. But in the past 10 years, as more and more tracks have been going up, the great majority of them have the "standard configuration."
And when coaches want to get splits on the "standard configuration," they know the way to do it is: Measure the distance from the steeple start to the 200m start and use arithmetic to get the lap distance.
I'd say 9/10 of them are in that 396m range in the part of the country where I'm going to track meets.
This is what IAAF refers to as the "400 meter STANDARD track marking plan"
thread might be stupid in that it would never happen and would kill whatever meaning the event has. but i think it's an interesting analytical exercise. A steeple lap is 396 meters, so I guess going around the barrier adds 4 meters per lap.
Wrong, but at least you are smarter than your precious Artificial Ignoramus, for those of you who actually rely on AI.
AI Overview A standard 3000m steeplechase lap is 390 or 395 meters, depending on whether the water jump is built inside or outside the track's main oval.
Athletes run 7.5 laps total. Because the water jump (which features a barrier placed over a sloped water pit) takes up extra space, the track geometry requires a specialized steeplechase path
* Inner Water Jump: If the water jump is positioned on the inside of lane 1, a "steeple lap" is 390 meters. The total race requires one partial lap (approx. 230m without barriers) plus exactly 7 full 390m laps.
*Outer Water Jump: If the water jump is located on the outside of the track's outer lane, the lap distance will be 395 meters.
During each lap, runners must clear five obstacles: four fixed wooden barriers (hürdles) and one water jump. Over the entire 3000m distance, athletes will clear a total of 28 standard barriers and 7 water jumps.
obviously as a coach ive been to facilities with different configurations. I've seen one or two outside pits. I've seen a pit that's on the opposite end of the track, past the start/finish line.
One or two outside waterjumps?? Really? You're a novice.
Obviously as a former National champion, American record holder and top ten world-ranked steeplechaser I've been to stadiums all over the world.
There is no standard layout. All tracks vary. Inside layouts tend to be closer in lap distance. Outside layouts vary more between tracks.
I've seen a pit that's on the opposite end of the track, past the start/finish line.
Which stadium was this?
I am 99% sure I also saw an outside pit just past the start finish line in the last several years but I cannot remember where right now. But here is a race on the "normal" outside pit - 2023 NCAA at UT Austin.
The track at the national stadium in Bermuda has an outside pit on the start/finish side. It also has the steeple start marked in the middle of the back stretch instead of the home stretch, so I'm not sure how that's supposed to work.
The track at the national stadium in Bermuda has an outside pit on the start/finish side. It also has the steeple start marked in the middle of the back stretch instead of the home stretch, so I'm not sure how that's supposed to work.
There are dozens of photos of the Bermuda National Stadium. You are correct that the steeplechase is on the opposite end of the stadium. Other than that the water/start/finish are all oriented correctly, just on the backstretch. There are even photos of sprint starts on the backstretch.
Why? I'll take a guess. I bet the original stadium was built without accommodations for the steeplechase. Upon upgrade to a "proper" stadium, and perhaps because of mechanical, they decided it was easier to put the waterjump at the opposite end. Sharing finishlines thus allowed a beautiful ocean view from the other side of the track.
obviously as a coach ive been to facilities with different configurations. I've seen one or two outside pits. I've seen a pit that's on the opposite end of the track, past the start/finish line.
One or two outside waterjumps?? Really? You're a novice.
Obviously as a former National champion, American record holder and top ten world-ranked steeplechaser I've been to stadiums all over the world.
There is no standard layout. All tracks vary. Inside layouts tend to be closer in lap distance. Outside layouts vary more between tracks.
With all due respect, a lot has changed since your days on the circuit.
