So… for how long will Joshua’s 5000/1000 WR stand?

Ok I stand corrected from earlier post. I think IF jakob is healthy he will get the 5000. The 10000 is the stronger mark and out of all runners in history only Prime Bekele and maybe Geb with better tech would’ve bettered it

A qualificated guess would be Jakob , but it will of course take some time to reach his great shape when broke the old famous 3000m record.

Then we have Kejelcha , Sawe and Kiplimo who in theory should be able to come close or break the 5000m/ 10000m records but seem to go more for the roads where the big money is. Almgren maybe?

Well, I guess the both WR will be broken within 10 years from now with the fast progress of many runners running fast times . I hope one of my own coached runners will have a shot to break some records within this 10 years from now .

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Now know the Xiamen 5000 will have 2 rabbits. Pace not yet announced.

However, a recent profile posted on the Xiamen DL website about Abdilaahi mentioned he wants to break the German record, now standing at 12:53.63 So, going out in 62-flat/lap =7:45/3000 = 12:55.00 seems reasonable.

11 men in the field have broken 13. 6 have broken 12:50.

Despite the 80/80 heat/humidity, w/2 rabbits & pace lights & this quality of competition, we're looking at a helluva tune-up race for Oslo.

Who’s the fastest guy you’ve coached to date?

Yeah personally it would be miraculous if Jakob came back from almost two lost seasons, in his 27th year (yes he'll be 26) and basically ran under 12.35.

The reality is despite 7.17.55 for 3000m, and Olympic gold, 2 world and 3 European golds at the distance, he's never covered 5000m faster than 12 minutes and 48 seconds. Had his career progressed without the injury stuff and he'd even had a 12.38/9 under his belt by now, I would say yes 2027 would be the ideal year, probably the final year of his peak performance window and his aspirations shifting from the 1500 to that 5000m mark.

But that's not the case. It's not just the physical impetus you lose but the psychological momentum. And he's saying all the right things about how this time off has made him appreciate how much he loves it etc etc, but that's surface level, conscious thought - that's easy to say. It is very hard when you were the guy and then one day you aren't anymore (because right now he isn't - you have to be out there).

And also don't forget this. Jakob is not Donovan Brazier, a low mileage functioning 800m runner that only started running any sort of mileage when he was 22. His foundation from his youth (14, 15) has been built around sub maximal but high intensity volume - there are a lot of miles on his body. You can never say never but you are right it would be a massive outlier and people can get upset and downvote you and now me, but that's reality.

To the records, I do wonder if both these marks are in the same category as the mens 800m in the sense of for them to be broken it can't be an overly competitive race. Cheptegei's marks certainly weren't and neither were the marks he broke (Bekele's). That Bislett race in 2024 was actually a bit of an outlier in terms of having two guys run that fast in a competitive race. When Komen first broke 12.40, second place was Paul Bitok in 12.56. When Geb broke that it was Kipkosgei second in 13.07. Bekele had Chenoge in second - 13.08 and when Cheptegei did it Kipkorir was second in 12.51.

Point being these are almost solo affairs. Racing guys takes too much effort and honestly even a pacemaker after 3000m may not be ideal because at some point you are reacting to their pace and possibly fluctuations/nuances etc vs just worrying about your own and the cadence of the lights.

I've said this for a long time and I still maintain this - the 5000m WR holder needs to have the strength and capability to do the 10. The last 3 WR holders in the 5000m all held the 10000m at some point too and they all did it in the same year (yes Bekele ended up running even faster a season later but he also broke the record in 2004, same year as the 5).

Can anyone do that now? I think one of the problems is that the modern 5000m runner is more a 1500/5000m runner vs a 5000/10000m runner. And sure, most of the top 5000 guys can go up and run a championship 10000m with success but that's all relative. Over the last five years the best seasonal 10000m time we have had is 26.31.01. You just never know who pops up when, but breaking records isn't easy no matter how fit you theoretically are (ie.Jakob in 7.17 shape). The 5000m could easily survive the rest of the decade. The 10000m I feel could last even longer.

In the Xiamen 5000m tomorrow there is a runner with 26 :39 at 10 k road, Aldbert Kimeli ( I think it is the name) . Couple weeks ago my coached young Kenyan aged 18 trained together with Kimeli and had no problem to follow in training. I'm coaching an uncut diamond I hope wlll run some ' crazy' times in future. 💪🧙‍♂️💪🇰🇪🇸🇪

At 5000m 13:29 , fastest half 1:01, fastest marathon 2:07 . Of course dream of to coach a world record runner before this of my many lives is ended. 🙏🧙‍♂️

I don’t think people appreciate how insane 26:11 is. No one has even come remotely close. If someone is going to break it, I’m guessing we don’t know their name yet.

And the rules for distance spikes changed from 25mm to 20mm stack height. Less super foam.

The EPO test was updated in 2022 and again in 2024.

In very cool weather with tall walls blocking the wind maybe somebody has a chance.

ALMGREN?!

10,000 really shouldn’t be a track event. I would love to do 800/1500/3000/5000 instead of 800/1500/5000/10000. 10K should be on the roads. Given that and how good two 13:05s back to back is, I think it will last a long time.

the 5000 record is not long for this earth. It will go down in the next 1-5yrs.

For reference, Xiamen DL 5000 meet record is 12:58.96 from 2024.

And, current world best is 12:59.09 by Parker Wolfe from his BU races back in February.

Wave goodbye to those two marks.

I have no doubt in my mind that a guy who ran 7:17 closing in 55 could come through 3000m in 7:37 while drafting off of a pacer (running evenly) feeling well within himself, and then close in sub 4:55 for the last 2k.

He might have two ”lost” seasons. But it was only a year ago when Ingebrigtsen was so insanely good that - as Almgren phrased it - opening the first 3k in 7:40 and closing the last 2k in 4:54 isnt that difficult for Jakob.

Out in 62 then 61.5 . . .

Another sub-62 . . . looking like a 12:50 race . . .

7:45-flat thru 3000 . . . back on 12:55 pace.

67 middle lap killed 'em while sub-2 last 800 saved the day for top guys.

80/80 heat/humidity too much to overcome. Especially for Almgren & other DNFs.

Nobody here looked unbeatable, to say the least . . . meaning Good News for Grant Fisher . . . and Nico & Graham & Parker come Oslo . . .

Sure, okay. lol