We changed the title to make it more descriptive and to correct the misspelling in the initial title. It was initially titled, "Kieth Brantly record was good for 44 years
Kimobwa’s age was “adjusted”. Even back then people were suspicious. Today we’re flooded with over age Africans. Some admit their actual age, most still don’t. Solomon Haile’s story is not out of the ordinary, at all. People go on defending these frauds even as the Africans howl with laughter among themselves at the gullibilty of many Westerners.
Stop your racist bullsheet. Nobody back then questioned Kimobwas age. You're re-inventing facts that weren't there. There were already enough over-aged Europeans. As for Rono, who really cared about his age. If you look at his year by year age performances (steeplechase) he tracked even or only slightly better than mine until 1978. So much for an age advantage.
Were you questioning Rupp's age and eligibility as a professional cheat when he enrolled at Oregon? If you're going to talk about white privilege start there.
Haile's story was completely out of the ordinary since it was completely out in the open and documented, year by year. Tried to enroll in Virginia with his real age and was rejected. No big deal, Montgomery County MD will take him, wink, wink, in the name of diversity. How many kids lost State titles because of him? I even think that he might have set the Van Cortlandt Park course record. A complete fraud every step of the way. An impoverished Ethiopian child who was a refugee only seeking opportunity in America? Weathered the voyage in a raft across the ocean to get here. Montgomery County politics is cynical.
People call someone “racist” when they have no leg to stand on in an argument . You twist the age arguments into something different. Calling Rupp a product of “white privilege” gives insight to the jealousy that has overtaken much of your thinking. That you then go into a long diatribe about Haile - after making sure you earlier kissed the feet of some Africans to show your bonafides - says a lot. You’ve really gone downhill, you just can’t see it. Sure, I’ll get banned for having an opinion you don’t like, for truths you don’t like. We can all be sure that you banned the poster you attacked as well. The brojos need to stop the petty bans from being your best form of “defense”.
Rono was closer to 30 than 20 in college. He spent more time having beers in the local bars than he did in class. Talk about privilege. Hopefully the guys taking tests for him were paid.
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Back in the fall of ‘79 there were many of in Polk County Florida who competed in less than ideal XC county courses that ran through orange groves, sandy paths that circled lakes, and mostly during humid afternoons. Those who joined the XC team as a lark quickly learned that the gulf between our talent level and Keith’s was vast. The motivation to keep running all these years still has something to do with chasing the excellence Keith achieved all those years ago. Thanks Keith for still motivating us mortals!
Stop your racist bullsheet. Nobody back then questioned Kimobwas age. You're re-inventing facts that weren't there. There were already enough over-aged Europeans. As for Rono, who really cared about his age. If you look at his year by year age performances (steeplechase) he tracked even or only slightly better than mine until 1978. So much for an age advantage.
Were you questioning Rupp's age and eligibility as a professional cheat when he enrolled at Oregon? If you're going to talk about white privilege start there.
Haile's story was completely out of the ordinary since it was completely out in the open and documented, year by year. Tried to enroll in Virginia with his real age and was rejected. No big deal, Montgomery County MD will take him, wink, wink, in the name of diversity. How many kids lost State titles because of him? I even think that he might have set the Van Cortlandt Park course record. A complete fraud every step of the way. An impoverished Ethiopian child who was a refugee only seeking opportunity in America? Weathered the voyage in a raft across the ocean to get here. Montgomery County politics is cynical.
People call someone “racist” when they have no leg to stand on in an argument . You twist the age arguments into something different. Calling Rupp a product of “white privilege” gives insight to the jealousy that has overtaken much of your thinking. That you then go into a long diatribe about Haile - after making sure you earlier kissed the feet of some Africans to show your bonafides - says a lot. You’ve really gone downhill, you just can’t see it. Sure, I’ll get banned for having an opinion you don’t like, for truths you don’t like. We can all be sure that you banned the poster you attacked as well. The brojos need to stop the petty bans from being your best form of “defense”.
Rono was closer to 30 than 20 in college. He spent more time having beers in the local bars than he did in class. Talk about privilege. Hopefully the guys taking tests for him were paid.
Oh, its jealousy now? So its about me, not Keith Brantly, not those kids being cheated out of their rightful States championships by a documented fraud? I see clearer now.
What I want to know is how did you run a 28:31 10,000 at age 19 (frosh year)? That was really rarified air for a 19-year old back then.
Well he was already in rarified air before he ran that 28:31. He was 3rd at Junior World Cross Country that year. Thats badass. What were you expecting?
FWIW He ran that 28:31 at Penn Relays 1982 age 20.
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What I want to know is how did you run a 28:31 10,000 at age 19 (frosh year)? That was really rarified air for a 19-year old back then.
Well he was already in rarified air before he ran that 28:31. He was 3rd at Junior World Cross Country that year. Thats badass. What were you expecting?
It was a great performance. I see Keith handily defeated future Italian stars Antibo and Panetta. The East Africans did not compete?
What I want to know is how did you run a 28:31 10,000 at age 19 (frosh year)? That was really rarified air for a 19-year old back then.
Well he was already in rarified air before he ran that 28:31. He was 3rd at Junior World Cross Country that year. Thats badass. What were you expecting?
That’s a good point. I did not realize he had that bronze. So much for the poster who said he never did anything internationally.
What I want to know is how did you run a 28:31 10,000 at age 19 (frosh year)? That was really rarified air for a 19-year old back then.
Well he was already in rarified air before he ran that 28:31. He was 3rd at Junior World Cross Country that year. Thats badass. What were you expecting?
FWIW He ran that 28:31 at Penn Relays 1982 age 20.
I believe Keith was still 19, and turning 20 the next month.
Well he was already in rarified air before he ran that 28:31. He was 3rd at Junior World Cross Country that year. Thats badass. What were you expecting?
FWIW He ran that 28:31 at Penn Relays 1982 age 20.
I believe Keith was still 19, and turning 20 the next month.
Well he was already in rarified air before he ran that 28:31. He was 3rd at Junior World Cross Country that year. Thats badass. What were you expecting?
It was a great performance. I see Keith handily defeated future Italian stars Antibo and Panetta. The East Africans did not compete?
Ethiopia and Kenya were small and impoverished countries back then. Their birthrates really didn't kick in until about 1970.
The 1981 IAAF World Cross Country Championships was held in Madrid, Spain, at the Hipódromo de la Zarzuela on March 28, 1981. A report on the event was given in the Glasgow Herald. Complete results for men, junior men, women,...
Hey y'all. Started competitive running in 1975 and finished around 2002...so many changes in that time. We went from no monetary rewards allowed, to trust funds, to open prize money (Thanks to Anne Audain, Frank Shorter, Pre, and Jon Sinclair). Regarding foreign runners coming to the US...while I took advantage of racing road events that had American-only prize money, I did that to keep the lights on financially, so to speak. But even since High School, I competed against foreign athletes....Jack Buckner...now the CEO UK Athletics and I raced against each other at Florida Relays and a few other meets when the English Public schools toured Florida; he and some of the other guys even stayed at our house...the same year "Sultans of Swing" was released! So, from very early on, I recognized the importance of racing against everyone, regardless of nationality and age. Maybe I was too clueless to know, but I believe you can't become your best, if you're not competing against the best. Same when I was in college...UTEP, Washington State, East Tennessee, were all loaded with "mature" foreign runners, but I never bitched about older, foreign runners' eligibility. My roommate at Florida was 27 year old Junior, John Rogerson who had a Military exemption and a 1:02:00 half marathon to his credit. I always figured I'd be racing foreign runners after college so I might as well get used to getting my ass-kicked. While I had some good marks in HS, (4:15, 9:03ish) (14:18 for 3 mile cross), I wasn't a blue-chipper....but I truly believed in my primary goal of competing for the US in the Olympics. It took a long time to realize that goal, with a lot of self-inflicted failures. Bottom-line...my running career was an absolute blast. Despite being an over-confident, impetuous, braggart, douche-bag from time to time, I built great friendships. I trained with, and raced against some of the best; Salazar, Nyambui, Rob DeCastella, John Treacy, Craig Virgin, Gerard Donakowski, Spence, Eyestone, Centrowitz, Sr., Pat Porter, Bill Rodgers, Godfrey Kiprotich, Sammy Lelei, Tommy Nohilly, and many, many others. Had one post-collegiate coach, Dr. David Martin, for 16 years, and was supported by New Balance for 12 years (despite some epic failures on my part). By no means not a perfect career, but what a run. Hope everyone stays healthy and reaches their goals. Best...Keith
You definitely were the real deal ! Those that think differently have no clue. Anyone with half a brain would mortgage the house to be able to call themselves an Olympian. While I come a running era just before your time we have met. You certainly were blessed to have had Dr. Dave guide you. One hell of a gentleman and scholar. You had a great run Keith and continue to inspire others in the sport. Best wishes
You won't remember me... but I lived in G'ville in '87-'88 and you were kind enough to take me out for a couple of runs...
There were two things I remember. You running 5:30 pace just chatting away while I was huffing and puffing... And you introducing to your apartment complexes' pet Alligator who's name was "Stump"...
What I want to know is how did you run a 28:31 10,000 at age 19 (frosh year)? That was really rarified air for a 19-year old back then.
In full-disclosure, while I ran that time when I was 19, I turned 20 in late May...and I was a Sophomore, not a Freshman. However, I did win the Penn Relays 10,000 as a Freshman....I think I ran 29:11....not too bad for an 18-19 year old. What really helped me, I had a teammate, Mark Sheehan, who was a 29:20 runner... and a workaholic. He was my mentor and he made sure I made every morning run, pushed me in workouts...and basically made my life miserable with respect to training ( I was sort of lazy.)