Not what it was in 80s or 90s . It will be popular with the average Joe who wants to jog and have fun, but the people who remember the REAL Classic know better. It's miles from what it was. I will take it a step further, the whole running scene in New Orleans is miles from what it once was. NOTC had many races, now they have only a few and most of the track clubs like Southern Runner are out of business. The Jackson Day race is run in another city to save money.The talent and the races aren't there anymore. This is about New Orleans because down the road in Gulfport the Gulf Coast Running Club still puts on the same races as he did in the 90s.
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chuck G wrote:
This is about New Orleans because down the road in Gulfport the Gulf Coast Running Club still puts on the same races as he did in the 90s.
I’m not so sure. Azalea Trail in Mobile, once as flat and fast as CCC was won this year in 32:56 about :30 in front of runner up (39:18 for women winner). This is the course 40+ John Campbell finished 6th in 29:0x for the masters WR.
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Okay Boomer wrote:
Exactly. Those USA champs at CCC were 30 years ago, more than enough time to adjust to these changes. You can still show up to the CCC and run as hard as you want to with or without C-grade Africans or D-grade domestic runners leading the way. I don't care if prime Teg, Ritz, and Solinsky are all toeing the line, racing 10K in Louisiana is in no way appealing. Go race your RRCA or USATF association champs if you need tough competition so badly.
The dude that owns the race is a business man and it's about the money. There were only about two regional talented runners today and everyone else was there to have fun, not to race. I heard, although l can be sure that getting the CCC posters for the top 500 is hard to do, being they don't send them out. Don't know if this is true? The race should be called the CCC a fun day and jog.
You're describing what's happened to road racing almost everywhere. In the "Glory Days" much of the field was made up of people who were interested in competition, both their own and at the front of the race. And the people at the front were mostly Americans or foreigners who spent considerable time in the US, think Rod Dixon, Henry Rono, Nick Rose. Runners knew who they were and were interested in their races just as golfers and tennis players are interested in who wins tournaments.
That's gone. Winners are often Africans who come here for a few weeks, run a race or two, then scoot back to Africa with a sackful of cash. You don't get to know them. Top Americans don't get the publicity they did forty plus years ago because they don't win as many races and don't race as much. So there's almost no interest in the front of races.
Guys like Bill Rodgers, Rono, etc., drew entrants. People wanted to be in races with them. There just are no elites with that kind of drawing power now which means most race directors don't have much incentive to bring them in. From a business standpoint it makes no sense to.
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The course record is 27:10. And you did not run 31:12 anywhere.
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Winner today broke away just after Esplanade which is 4 1/2 or so and finished in 31:04. He's from Columbia and may have gone to McNeese.
The women ran some fantastic times for New Orleans. 33: change
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HRE wrote:
chuck G wrote:
The dude that owns the race is a business man and it's about the money. There were only about two regional talented runners today and everyone else was there to have fun, not to race. I heard, although l can be sure that getting the CCC posters for the top 500 is hard to do, being they don't send them out. Don't know if this is true? The race should be called the CCC a fun day and jog.
You're describing what's happened to road racing almost everywhere. In the "Glory Days" much of the field was made up of people who were interested in competition, both their own and at the front of the race. And the people at the front were mostly Americans or foreigners who spent considerable time in the US, think Rod Dixon, Henry Rono, Nick Rose. Runners knew who they were and were interested in their races just as golfers and tennis players are interested in who wins tournaments.
That's gone. Winners are often Africans who come here for a few weeks, run a race or two, then scoot back to Africa with a sackful of cash. You don't get to know them. Top Americans don't get the publicity they did forty plus years ago because they don't win as many races and don't race as much. So there's almost no interest in the front of races.
Guys like Bill Rodgers, Rono, etc., drew entrants. People wanted to be in races with them. There just are no elites with that kind of drawing power now which means most race directors don't have much incentive to bring them in. From a business standpoint it makes no sense to.
It's about the money.. The people that are part of the race are drinking the coolaide the race owner is giving them.. They wants to believe it's the same race. It AIN'T! It's about the $$ and cutting corners. Many people think the way l do.
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It's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. No one in power cares about the "unfortunate " . Please pay attention
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I think they make you pay to go to the expo. That is a freaking joke.lol.. You have to pay to watch the awards too.. joke!! The race is about making money not about running fast!
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chuck G wrote:
I think they make you pay to go to the expo. That is a freaking joke.lol.. You have to pay to watch the awards too.. joke!! The race is about making money not about running fast!
You don't have to pay for the expo, but yes, they charge admission for nonrunners to the post-race fest, but that includes free food and beer (if Michelob Ultra counts as beer).
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RIP CCC it\'s all about the money wrote:
The winner this year may have on a bunny costume
Spencer brown! “can a bunny break 30????!!!!!”
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RIP CCC it's all about the money wrote:
HRE wrote:
You're describing what's happened to road racing almost everywhere. In the "Glory Days" much of the field was made up of people who were interested in competition, both their own and at the front of the race. And the people at the front were mostly Americans or foreigners who spent considerable time in the US, think Rod Dixon, Henry Rono, Nick Rose. Runners knew who they were and were interested in their races just as golfers and tennis players are interested in who wins tournaments.
That's gone. Winners are often Africans who come here for a few weeks, run a race or two, then scoot back to Africa with a sackful of cash. You don't get to know them. Top Americans don't get the publicity they did forty plus years ago because they don't win as many races and don't race as much. So there's almost no interest in the front of races.
Guys like Bill Rodgers, Rono, etc., drew entrants. People wanted to be in races with them. There just are no elites with that kind of drawing power now which means most race directors don't have much incentive to bring them in. From a business standpoint it makes no sense to.
It's about the money.. The people that are part of the race are drinking the coolaide the race owner is giving them.. They wants to believe it's the same race. It AIN'T! It's about the $ and cutting corners. Many people think the way l do.
I think "it's all about money" pretty much describes the state of road racing now.
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2:18 Sandy Poplar Mike wrote:
The women ran some fantastic times for New Orleans. 33: change
Women's winner was a former XC All-America from UNC
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1 mediocre female time and 1 slow winning men's time. Back when this was an actual race there were 3-4 females running 31's.
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At least nobody was mugged wrote:
1 mediocre female time and 1 slow winning men's time. Back when this was an actual race there were 3-4 females running 31's.
Anne Audain from New Zealand chimed into Facebook today about herself running 46 years ago at the CCC. Not sure but I think she was running 33: change at the time. There were plenty of years when the race brought in World Class Runners and 33:00 plus was the winning time.
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chuck G wrote:
I think they make you pay to go to the expo. That is a freaking joke.lol.. You have to pay to watch the awards too.. joke!! The race is about making money not about running fast!
I'm Mike D and I get Respect. Your Cash and your jewelry is what I expect.
No way this is Chuck George. He has a N.O.R.S.I. booth at the expo and he knows it's a free show.
Chuck doesn't know much about pace though. He was the finish line announcer. At the four mile marker he predicted a 29:00 10K. Rolando Ortiz won in 31:04
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CCC results wrote:
2:18 Sandy Poplar Mike wrote:
The women ran some fantastic times for New Orleans. 33: change
Women's winner was a former XC All-America from UNC
Men's winner ran for McNeese State.
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At least nobody was mugged wrote:
1 mediocre female time and 1 slow winning men's time. Back when this was an actual race there were 3-4 females running 31's.
The elites went to Lille this weekend. It seems like races in Europe are getting faster and faster whereas races in America are offering prizes for the best bunny suit. I know we still have elite races - like Cherry Blossom, peachtree, etc. will draw international crowds, but its certainly frustrating that formerly fast races turn into just races for locals - though at least this one draws top locals and isn't won by a guy in a bunny suit at 35 mins or something.
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This happens. The good news is that some newer races like project 13.1, mckirdy, etc. popped up for competitive runners. Probably none of these are in Louisiana though!
The bad news is it seems a lot more races decrease or eliminate their prize purses than maintain it or up it to keep pace with inflation.
Joe average runner just wants to get in some exercise and socialization. He wants to compete up to the point where he gets as fast as he can without training very hard.
Those ones you mentioned are nothing like the old days of road racing. They a tailored time trials for people. There is no racing involved. Just find the flattest course possible, throw in some amenities and people trying to run good times (but let's be honest, not spectacular times) will pay lots of money to play dress up like an elite
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