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Re minor medals, depends on the athlete. Gladys Chepngetich or Addy Wiley getting bronze in Poland would be significantly bigger than the former's 800m win in Fayetteville or anything Wiley won in college. Hypothetically, same for Sahlman and Hedengren were they to capture 3000m minor medals this weekend, but I think only gold at World Indoors would trump NCAA XC national titles for someone like Blanks or Lemngole.
It certainly matters where the athlete is from. I should’ve mentioned that. I think for Addy Wiley a D1 outdoors 800m title vs a bronze at World Indoors is a real debate.
I don't remember what NAIA titles Wiley won. And apparently, she did not care about NCAA enough to run at an NCAA school.
This is what he claimed on his word indoors preview. Awful take that’s very American-centric.
What is Geordie Beamish more well known for, his NCAA mile title, or winning world indoors against Hocker, Kessler, etc? Obviously world indoors.
Not only is it harder to win a world indoors title, it’s more memorable and respected by the fans.
Anyone disagree?
In terms of pure prestige, Chavez is wrong.
But, consider the perspective of a financially-motivated athlete, winning an NCAA title is probably more significant for career earnings, contracts with brands, and career opportunities than winning only one world indoors title.
Beamish probably never gets enough training, coaching, and funding without his NCAA Indoor title. Winning an NCAA title while constantly injured showed the glimpse of the raw potential that led him to win multiple World titles. Keeping it within OAC, Hoare probably never wins Commonwealth Games without his NCAA title either. You have the NCAA title, you're more appealing to brands.
This is what he claimed on his word indoors preview. Awful take that’s very American-centric.
What is Geordie Beamish more well known for, his NCAA mile title, or winning world indoors against Hocker, Kessler, etc? Obviously world indoors.
Not only is it harder to win a world indoors title, it’s more memorable and respected by the fans.
Anyone disagree?
I mean... look at the results we're seeing so far. It's impossible to argue that World Indoors is nearly as competitive as NCAA Indoors. As far as medalists go? Sure, probably tips slightly in favor of Worlds. Maybe. But the meet as a whole is less competitive than a major D1 conference meet. Not trying to argue or be contrarian, it's just objectively true.
I mean... look at the results we're seeing so far. It's impossible to argue that World Indoors is nearly as competitive as NCAA Indoors. As far as medalists go? Sure, probably tips slightly in favor of Worlds. Maybe. But the meet as a whole is less competitive than a major D1 conference meet. Not trying to argue or be contrarian, it's just objectively true.
World Indoor: Mahuchik 2.01, Olyslagers, Topic, Levchenko 1.99.
I mean... look at the results we're seeing so far. It's impossible to argue that World Indoors is nearly as competitive as NCAA Indoors. As far as medalists go? Sure, probably tips slightly in favor of Worlds. Maybe. But the meet as a whole is less competitive than a major D1 conference meet. Not trying to argue or be contrarian, it's just objectively true.
World Indoor: Mahuchik 2.01, Olyslagers, Topic, Levchenko 1.99.
NCAA: Adeshima 1.97, Yeboah 1.94, Jones 1.91.
World Indoor 400m men top times today: 45.51, 45.89, 45.93, 46.09, 46.09, 46.10
NCAA Indoor 400m men top times: 44.57, 44.67, 44.85, 45.11, 45.12, 45.30
World Indoor 400m women: 51.08, 51.42, 51.48, 51.57, 51.60, 51.70
It's not even close where the more elite talent is as a whole during the indoor season. Top NCAA athletes dominate the world rankings. Very few pros take indoor seriously enough for this meet to be as competitive as NCAAs as a whole.
NCAAs probably include just as many nations as World Indoors at this point TBF, but World Indoors is of course more significant. Why anyone listens to the Citius Soyboys is beyond me.
They include lots of nations but other nations don’t care or follow their ncaa athletes all that closely. Ie British, Irish, Australian etc we don’t know those athletes (loads skip national meets/champs etc) like we know the domestic ones of similar age groups even until they start running for the country.
It's not even close where the more elite talent is as a whole during the indoor season. Top NCAA athletes dominate the world rankings. Very few pros take indoor seriously enough for this meet to be as competitive as NCAAs as a whole.
It's not even close where the more elite talent is as a whole during the indoor season. Top NCAA athletes dominate the world rankings. Very few pros take indoor seriously enough for this meet to be as competitive as NCAAs as a whole.
Are you comparing prelim times?
Many of those NCAA times were indeed run in the prelims... willing to bet the World finals are not as fast as the NCAA finals lol. Do yourself a favor and look at the top-25 marks in the world in each event this indoor season. Absolutely dominated by collegiate athletes. And many of the few pros that make that list have chosen to skip this meet...
It really is not debatable, and I don't know why there's an insistence on denying facts. The NCAA Indoor Championships are more competitive than the World Indoor Championships.
Gladys Chepngetich - NCAA Champion 800m --> dead last in 800m heat, 21st fastest time of 30
Rosemary Longisa - 2nd in NCAA 1500m --> dead last in 800m heat, 26th fastest time of 30
Ah yes, cherry-picking two athletes who are coming off of full XC seasons, full NCAA indoor seasons that includes having to run flat-out during the regular season just to qualify for NCAAs, and then competed at their conference meets and then NCAAs less than a week ago, and immediately flew out to Poland for a meet that their coaches did not plan their schedule around at all... lol.
Maybe it is in the US, I don't know. But in Europe, an NCAA title will barely register. You'd struggle to find any athletics fans in the UK that know Paddy Dever has an NCAA title.
Gladys Chepngetich - NCAA Champion 800m --> dead last in 800m heat, 21st fastest time of 30
Rosemary Longisa - 2nd in NCAA 1500m --> dead last in 800m heat, 26th fastest time of 30
Ah yes, cherry-picking two athletes who are coming off of full XC seasons, full NCAA indoor seasons that includes having to run flat-out during the regular season just to qualify for NCAAs, and then competed at their conference meets and then NCAAs less than a week ago, and immediately flew out to Poland for a meet that their coaches did not plan their schedule around at all... lol.
If it was so easy, they wouldn’t have been trounced in the heats.
Ah yes, cherry-picking two athletes who are coming off of full XC seasons, full NCAA indoor seasons that includes having to run flat-out during the regular season just to qualify for NCAAs, and then competed at their conference meets and then NCAAs less than a week ago, and immediately flew out to Poland for a meet that their coaches did not plan their schedule around at all... lol.
If it was so easy, they wouldn’t have been trounced in the heats.
coming off of full XC seasons, full NCAA indoor seasons that includes having to run flat-out during the regular season just to qualify for NCAAs, and then competed at their conference meets and then NCAAs less than a week ago, and immediately flew out to Poland for a meet that their coaches did not plan their schedule around at all... lol.
If it was so easy, they wouldn’t have been trounced in the heats.
coming off of full XC seasons, full NCAA indoor seasons that includes having to run flat-out during the regular season just to qualify for NCAAs, and then competed at their conference meets and then NCAAs less than a week ago, and immediately flew out to Poland for a meet that their coaches did not plan their schedule around at all... lol.
Those are just excuses. You’ll find plenty of athletes not in the NCAA who had full indoor seasons and still managed to advance. Lets wait until the end of the championship before calling names so we can get an objective comparison.
This is what he claimed on his word indoors preview. Awful take that’s very American-centric.
What is Geordie Beamish more well known for, his NCAA mile title, or winning world indoors against Hocker, Kessler, etc? Obviously world indoors.
Not only is it harder to win a world indoors title, it’s more memorable and respected by the fans.
Anyone disagree?
Another friendly reminder why we can't even gather american pros for a pro track league.
we aren't even sending a 4x4 to the world relays. We need the mindset of world indoor title = outdoor title = Olympic title. I am sure someone will respond to me boosting the olympics way past anything I just mentioned. Ask a nba fan if they value a olympic ring over a nba title...then look at NBA paychecks and fandom.
We have to market ourselves better and our best needs to treat it like we are the best. I bet WWE wrestlers make more than pro track athletes on average. Could have made a huge stride forward with GST but here we are. If you were one of the many hating on GST relentlessly...2026 would have been the perfect year to boost our sports popularity. No outdoor olympics, and worlds? smh.
Why do we not even have a world champs every single year at the very least since there isn't an olympics every year? If the general stance is that the winning the olympics is the grail of track and field and there isn't a real League like other popular sports(soccer, basketball, football, even combat sports) Chavez's take isn't actually that bad.
You could argue at least in america that some americans would remember someone winning NCAA's over a World indoor title. There STILL isn't a video of the US indoor champs 3k LMAO and it really sounded like one of the most entertaining races in a while. This sport is cooked. Back in HS i didn't get voted out of my homeroom for senior superlatives most athletic over a JV football player and I was multiple times all state, county champ, region champ, multiple school records lmaooo
But yes keep making headlines DQ'ing people for doing celebrations showing excitement, personality or anything a new potential fan could latch on to.
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