zero chance he's on EPO or any drug. The reason he won is he's a Division 1 level talent competing against Div 3 competition.
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Which one was kicked off their team for PEDs?
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Saul man wrote:
Easily. You are looking with eyes closed. The 3000 champ doesn’t have a 5000 on the season. The 5th place guy doesn’t have one. Dozens of elite milers or 3000 guys didn’t run one. I realize that you are in awe if Seth but he is not ad good as you think.
So someone running 13:35 dragged along can solo 13:35? Great logic
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Trackfan483497 wrote:
No no no Iowa State kicked off one of the best runners in the country a week after his breakout performance for a perfectly good reason (even though they won't make it public) and his former teammates are obviously lying about his drug use.
Do you not know what FERPA is? Iowa State legally cannot make public why he was kicked off the team unless Seth signs a limited FERPA release, which he refuses to do
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And if it wasn’t drug related, why not transfer to a different D1 school? What’s the point of transferring to D3? Oh..because D3 isn’t going to hold him accountable like D1 did. Cowardly of him and not fair to the D3 athletes who are clean and work their butts off for no athletic scholarship.
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Difference is that Langon didn’t get suspended from his team for suspected PED usage (and proceed to handle the situation as suspiciously as possible) the moment he began to race at this level. There are probably some more dirty athletes in D1, but not much reason to suspect any individual one of them. Lots of reason to suspect Seth.
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Close to home. National champ individually and team..win, win, win. Glad you are looking out for him.
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Sahlman could run 13:35 and rest a minute and run Seth's 3000 time.
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Nice little write up on Seth.
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Iowa State Track Star?
Ran only one XC meet 2025?
One of the top recruits in the country?
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Dennis O'Dell wrote:
Nice little write up on Seth.
Good article. But I disagree with the ending: "There is nothing the World Anti-Doping Agency can do. The NCAA is just as impotent because he never failed a drug test." No. The NCAA CHOOSES not to do anything about it because it chooses not to be transparent and to allow somebody who has been removed from a team for some sort of misconduct to transfer to another school and keep running, without making public the reason for the removal.
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Beating D3's best athletes does NOT make him clean. Not being at the level of the best D1 athletes does NOT make him clean, either. The whole point is that he was not good enough to be at the top level in D1 without taking PEDs. So he chose to move to D3 so he could win something. Many others in D1 could have moved to D3 and win easily. But they choose not to do it, because they want to compete with the best. The fact he did is clear proof that everything that is being said about him is true. He was a mediocre athlete for D1 and a worse person for D3, as shown by the reaction of everybody but Rowan (also a suspect university, academically and morally).
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ransolo wrote:
Beating D3's best athletes does NOT make him clean. Not being at the level of the best D1 athletes does NOT make him clean, either. The whole point is that he was not good enough to be at the top level in D1 without taking PEDs. So he chose to move to D3 so he could win something. Many others in D1 could have moved to D3 and win easily. But they choose not to do it, because they want to compete with the best. The fact he did is clear proof that everything that is being said about him is true. He was a mediocre athlete for D1 and a worse person for D3, as shown by the reaction of everybody but Rowan (also a suspect university, academically and morally).
One glaring observation from at the meet was the lack of support for Seth by any one at the meet. This included his Rowan teammates! In both the 5k and 3k there was little if any cheering during the races for him or on the podium for him. The ONLY time there was cheering for him by rowan teammates or fans was after LAX had their second 3k finished place 8th (making the team title unattainable even with a 4x4 win). Only then did it seem anyone from Rowan began cheering for a Seth related event.
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Nocontextwiac wrote:
One glaring observation from at the meet was the lack of support for Seth by any one at the meet. This included his Rowan teammates! In both the 5k and 3k there was little if any cheering during the races for him or on the podium for him. The ONLY time there was cheering for him by rowan teammates or fans was after LAX had their second 3k finished place 8th (making the team title unattainable even with a 4x4 win). Only then did it seem anyone from Rowan began cheering for a Seth related event.
Another note, this isnt just that Rowan was lacking in team support from one another's individual successes. During the triple jump and 200 they were cheering loudly, rightfully so, as their athletes were having fantastic performances in those events.
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Five55 wrote:
zero chance he's on EPO or any drug. The reason he won is he's a Division 1 level talent competing against Div 3 competition.
The guy starting the hate threads and making most of the hate posts about Clevenger is likely the reason Clevenger had to leave Iowa State. He and Clevenger likely had a physical confrontation and cryboy had his arse handed to him by Clevenger. Badly. Black eyes, broken nose, him squealing for mercy. Clevenger should probably release the pictures of the aftermath he carries on his cell. So we can see the obsessed poster in his true light.
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Bully Got Beat Up wrote:
Five55 wrote:
zero chance he's on EPO or any drug. The reason he won is he's a Division 1 level talent competing against Div 3 competition.
The guy starting the hate threads and making most of the hate posts about Clevenger is likely the reason Clevenger had to leave Iowa State. He and Clevenger likely had a physical confrontation and cryboy had his arse handed to him by Clevenger. Badly. Black eyes, broken nose, him squealing for mercy. Clevenger should probably release the pictures of the aftermath he carries on his cell. So we can see the obsessed poster in his true light.
If It makes you feel better, I've never met Seth, and I haven't competed in a track meet in over 20 years, and I think he's a deplorable, eminently hateable POS.
So, you know, there goes your stupid theory.
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Eryth wrote:
One sign of EPO usage is very fast recovery. Hmm...🤔
I hope people dont forget how dodgy he is too soon. Anyone with his history should not land a sponsorship in a few years. Seeing shoe brands supporting doping history athletes is too common.
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if it makes you feel better wrote:
Bully Got Beat Up wrote:
The guy starting the hate threads and making most of the hate posts about Clevenger is likely the reason Clevenger had to leave Iowa State. He and Clevenger likely had a physical confrontation and cryboy had his arse handed to him by Clevenger. Badly. Black eyes, broken nose, him squealing for mercy. Clevenger should probably release the pictures of the aftermath he carries on his cell. So we can see the obsessed poster in his true light.
If It makes you feel better, I've never met Seth, and I haven't competed in a track meet in over 20 years, and I think he's a deplorable, eminently hateable POS.
So, you know, there goes your stupid theory.
Same here, and you know, the 500+ D3 athletes who signed a petition saying he shouldn't be allowed to compete...
Anyway, congrats to Seth on winning that fake fight.
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