not an absurd take. Hoey is injured at the moment and likely won't compete against Lutkenhaus until the summer. Lutkenhaus is 17. He will get faster and faster as the year goes on, probably down to 1:41 low in the right race by the end of the summer. There's a very good chance Hoey has already run his fastest time of the year. Hoey is in his late 20s, not a young man. In 2027 and beyond, the gap between these two runners will only grow larger.
Rojo pointed out that Hoey likes to run from the front, serving as a de facto rabbit for Lutkenhaus. It's possible Lutkenahus will get injured or fall or get sick or something. Or he might let Hoey beat him in a heat. But I think in terms of finals, there is at least a 50 percent chance Rojo is correct.
This post was edited 1 minute after it was posted.
rojo says things to be controversial. don't expect any accountability when his hot take turns out wrong. he'll already be on to the next hot topic, whether that's unsubstantiated doping rumors, misconstruing an early off performance as the demise of a career, or taking digs at African runners.
but you better believe, when the blind squirrel finds a nut, he'll be demanding the spotlight and for everyone to recognize his genius.
reality take. if Josh and Cooper race each other enough, you'll see wins from both. if their schedules don't align much, you'll be reading a lot more into a handful of head-to-heads than you really should.
For the record, I want to be clear. I was talking specifically about tactical non-rabbitted races. So admittedly there likely won't be too many of them between the two. It was at the 54:30ish mark of this week's podcast. But it could happen at a DL.
For the record, I want to be clear. I was talking specifically about tactical non-rabbitted races. So admittedly there likely won't be too many of them between the two. It was at the 54:30ish mark of this week's podcast. But it could happen at a DL.
First of all, don’t back track. You may be right but that’s a tough take for a guy who just broke the WR in indoor 800m and is only 26 yrs old. Someone said it’s a young man’s game yes, but if you’re at your best at 26 you’re not gonna decline until after 30 if you keep up what you’re doing and stay healthy. Injuries come with the game but as long as Hoey is smart he’ll come back just fine. Brazier proved you can come back after a long layoff if done right, hopefully that isn’t the situation for hoey. Now if hoey was at his peak at 22 then I would say maybe he’s at the tail end of his career.
i may be wrong but cooper won’t be an elite 800m runner at 30 years old. He will peak a lot younger around 24/25 he will reach his best it’s just the way it is physiologically and mentally. So I’m not sure cooper will just be unbeatable every single race. He is truly building up a rudisha type of career as he’s really not getting beat much. The experience at the world championships was good for him very similar to SML, so I think he will go back to a world champs better prepared. I honestly think he will win world indoors.
For the record, I want to be clear. I was talking specifically about tactical non-rabbitted races. So admittedly there likely won't be too many of them between the two. It was at the 54:30ish mark of this week's podcast. But it could happen at a DL.
First of all, don’t back track. You may be right but that’s a tough take for a guy who just broke the WR in indoor 800m and is only 26 yrs old. Someone said it’s a young man’s game yes, but if you’re at your best at 26 you’re not gonna decline until after 30 if you keep up what you’re doing and stay healthy. Injuries come with the game but as long as Hoey is smart he’ll come back just fine. Brazier proved you can come back after a long layoff if done right, hopefully that isn’t the situation for hoey. Now if hoey was at his peak at 22 then I would say maybe he’s at the tail end of his career.
i may be wrong but cooper won’t be an elite 800m runner at 30 years old. He will peak a lot younger around 24/25 he will reach his best it’s just the way it is physiologically and mentally. So I’m not sure cooper will just be unbeatable every single race. He is truly building up a rudisha type of career as he’s really not getting beat much. The experience at the world championships was good for him very similar to SML, so I think he will go back to a world champs better prepared. I honestly think he will win world indoors.
Agreed, Hoey will not be running 1:45 when he is 27, but I also don’t think he will run a PB at 27. On the flip side, I expect Cooper to keep improving in the next 18 months.
However, it’s still not a given. “Never” is very small.
This was a bad time to make this claim. Next year, more of a shot. Hoey was at a far higher level indoors than Cooper has reached yet. I would assume that Hoey runs 1:41 at least this year with world records at 600 and possibly 1k, as well as 3:28. That's all assuming health. Tough to beat for Cooper at 17, but at 18, he might be running 1:40.
This was a bad time to make this claim. Next year, more of a shot. Hoey was at a far higher level indoors than Cooper has reached yet. I would assume that Hoey runs 1:41 at least this year with world records at 600 and possibly 1k, as well as 3:28. That's all assuming health. Tough to beat for Cooper at 17, but at 18, he might be running 1:40.
Far higher level? I don't think so. Efverything indicates to me that Cooper is rounding into 1:43 flat shape at the end of indoors at the worse. Hoey ran 1:42.50.
When I was coaching, I always thought in indoors it's pretty good you get to your outdoor PR shape from the year prior. I expect Cooper to be there. HE ran 1:42.23 outdoors last year. Indoors is 3/4ths of a second slower according to JK so 1:43 flat makes sense.
I think there is a non-zero chance the WR falls at World Indoors.
This was a bad time to make this claim. Next year, more of a shot. Hoey was at a far higher level indoors than Cooper has reached yet. I would assume that Hoey runs 1:41 at least this year with world records at 600 and possibly 1k, as well as 3:28. That's all assuming health. Tough to beat for Cooper at 17, but at 18, he might be running 1:40.
Far higher level? I don't think so. Efverything indicates to me that Cooper is rounding into 1:43 flat shape at the end of indoors at the worse. Hoey ran 1:42.50.
When I was coaching, I always thought in indoors it's pretty good you get to your outdoor PR shape from the year prior. I expect Cooper to be there. HE ran 1:42.23 outdoors last year. Indoors is 3/4ths of a second slower according to JK so 1:43 flat makes sense.
I think there is a non-zero chance the WR falls at World Indoors.
I ask you to go to a church (or whatever) to pray for a redemption, for all the lies your site was spreading about El G. for years.
But still did you find anything solide?
The guy was swearing in a recent radio interview to give all his titles and money if they found 0.01 of doping in his samples.
But this is well obvious from you loosers, living in post indépendance mythes like Jim Ryin, John Walker (I forgot the other names) etc.
Nader by the end of this season will get the head of Hocker.
For the record, I want to be clear. I was talking specifically about tactical non-rabbitted races. So admittedly there likely won't be too many of them between the two. It was at the 54:30ish mark of this week's podcast. But it could happen at a DL.
This was a bad time to make this claim. Next year, more of a shot. Hoey was at a far higher level indoors than Cooper has reached yet. I would assume that Hoey runs 1:41 at least this year with world records at 600 and possibly 1k, as well as 3:28. That's all assuming health. Tough to beat for Cooper at 17, but at 18, he might be running 1:40.
Far higher level? I don't think so. Efverything indicates to me that Cooper is rounding into 1:43 flat shape at the end of indoors at the worse. Hoey ran 1:42.50.
When I was coaching, I always thought in indoors it's pretty good you get to your outdoor PR shape from the year prior. I expect Cooper to be there. HE ran 1:42.23 outdoors last year. Indoors is 3/4ths of a second slower according to JK so 1:43 flat makes sense.
I think there is a non-zero chance the WR falls at World Indoors.
Spot on. Op not recognizing how good Cooper has looked indoors.
Also stop with the "assuming health" bs, we can't work off hypotheticals.
What we can say is that both the best of (world records) the worst of (injury) is coming to fruition around Hoey's perplexing coaching decision.
Far higher level? I don't think so. Efverything indicates to me that Cooper is rounding into 1:43 flat shape at the end of indoors at the worse. Hoey ran 1:42.50.
When I was coaching, I always thought in indoors it's pretty good you get to your outdoor PR shape from the year prior. I expect Cooper to be there. HE ran 1:42.23 outdoors last year. Indoors is 3/4ths of a second slower according to JK so 1:43 flat makes sense.
I think there is a non-zero chance the WR falls at World Indoors.
Spot on. Op not recognizing how good Cooper has looked indoors.
Also stop with the "assuming health" bs, we can't work off hypotheticals.
What we can say is that both the best of (world records) the worst of (injury) is coming to fruition around Hoey's perplexing coaching decision.
“We can’t work off hypotheticals.” Do you even know what the word means?
For the record, I want to be clear. I was talking specifically about tactical non-rabbitted races. So admittedly there likely won't be too many of them between the two. It was at the 54:30ish mark of this week's podcast. But it could happen at a DL.
rojo says things to be controversial. don't expect any accountability when his hot take turns out wrong. he'll already be on to the next hot topic, whether that's unsubstantiated doping rumors, misconstruing an early off performance as the demise of a career, or taking digs at African runners.
but you better believe, when the blind squirrel finds a nut, he'll be demanding the spotlight and for everyone to recognize his genius.
reality take. if Josh and Cooper race each other enough, you'll see wins from both. if their schedules don't align much, you'll be reading a lot more into a handful of head-to-heads than you really should.
I’d argue Rojo has less of a filter than you or me. He says some of the thoughts that cross his mind tha are meant to challenge controversial wisdom. Yes sometimes they are controversial but if you watch the clip or know what we do behind the scenes- that none of this segment was even planned out- I wouldn’t say he said it to be controversial.