That explains all the sub-2:02s in the 1980s in the steroid era.
Cute, but illogical, i.e. as desperate deflection from you. Do better. Canova's claim was not that everyone could run under 2:02 with steroids, but that Mosop could. In other words, steroid doping helps top marathoners by at least 1:07 (using Mosop's Boston best of 2:03:06) or 3:04 (using his record-eligible marathon PR of 2:05:03).
I'm doing better than you.
Tell me how far logic can take us when the initial statement is "also myself thinks that if ... probably ...".
Has he given any athletes testosterone? Seems unlikely that he has, or anyone else has, if he is just speculating in 2023. If we can't point to any real performances, it is yet again the emperor's clothes.
The next step is for Canova, or someone else, to do a trial, preferably with confounders controlled, which supports what he said he thinks if he did would probably happen.
Contrary to your suggestion, it is not smart, but a logical fallacy for anyone to skip this important step of instantiation before arriving at any conclusion.
Please for all of our sakes, I know you can do better.
Cute, but illogical, i.e. as desperate deflection from you. Do better. Canova's claim was not that everyone could run under 2:02 with steroids, but that Mosop could. In other words, steroid doping helps top marathoners by at least 1:07 (using Mosop's Boston best of 2:03:06) or 3:04 (using his record-eligible marathon PR of 2:05:03).
I'm doing better than you.
Tell me how far logic can take us when the initial statement is "also myself thinks that if ... probably ...".
Has he given any athletes testosterone? Seems unlikely that he has, or anyone else has, if he is just speculating in 2023. If we can't point to any real performances, it is yet again the emperor's clothes.
The next step is for Canova, or someone else, to do a trial, preferably with confounders controlled, which supports what he said he thinks if he did would probably happen.
Contrary to your suggestion, it is not smart, but a logical fallacy for anyone to skip this important step of instantiation before arriving at any conclusion.
Please for all of our sakes, I know you can do better.
"Seems unlikely" that "anyone else" has "given any athletes testosterone"?
"Seems unlikely" that "anyone else" has "given any athletes testosterone"?
Really?
Sorry, that was poorly worded, relying too much on not repeating the previous context fresh in my mind, specifically limited to the example of speculated performance for Moses Mosop and the marathon.
I initially wrote it just about Canova, which seems correct that it seems unlikely.
To clarify, it seems unlikely that Canova, or anyone else, had given an top marathon athlete like Moses Mosop testosterone before his 2023 statement, and achieved the speculated 1:07 to 3:04 improvement from that testosterone.
That's how it seems to me, but I'm happy to see any candidate counter-examples or other arguments to flesh out "... methinks if I did he probably would ...."
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Yes!!! Keep 'em coming. And hopefully we are another small step closer to a ban being enforced on Kenya. We just need one big road race organizer to step up and do the right thing.
They’ll have to ban them all, one at a time. This is the problem there and in Africa in general will continue for decades. It’s in the blood in more ways than one.
Yeah, he sure was right that top kenyans dont dope because it doesn't even benefit them.
Its beginning to look like kenyans at all levels are doping,and probably ethiopians and ugandans too. Back in the 90's they were seen as "natural "but that ship sure sailed......or sank.