I really like the shoes. I got the first one that was released and just purchased the wht/red color that released a few weeks ago. I don't use them everyday. But on the days when my legs are beat up either from a long run or hard workout the day before they are perfect when your goal is to just have time on your feet. Typically I run in them for 30-60 minutes. I did do a 14 mile run in them because I wanted to see what they were like on a long run. My legs felt fantastic on the run and felt very good afterwards. My only complaint was that they felt heavy to me for the final 4 miles. If you use them as a recovery shoe they are well worth the price. Cheaper than an Alter G treadmill.
I really like the shoes. I got the first one that was released and just purchased the wht/red color that released a few weeks ago. I don't use them everyday. But on the days when my legs are beat up either from a long run or hard workout the day before they are perfect when your goal is to just have time on your feet. Typically I run in them for 30-60 minutes. I did do a 14 mile run in them because I wanted to see what they were like on a long run. My legs felt fantastic on the run and felt very good afterwards. My only complaint was that they felt heavy to me for the final 4 miles. If you use them as a recovery shoe they are well worth the price. Cheaper than an Alter G treadmill.
Yes. It is a nice, comfy shoe. To someone who posted above, the stack height is a crazy 55 mm but it is actually more stable than the old Invincible line.
The Vomero Plus (the real Invincible replacement) may be a better shoe and is readily available and much less expensive.
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Obviously no one would get away with wearing these at the Olympics or World Championships,
uh, GALEN Rupp wore illegals shoes in the Oly marathon trials and Olympics and got away with it (was that 2016). Look it up
wore shoes that were not yet available to the competitors (which is a violation of the rules)
and even disguised the shoes to look like a version that was legal.
and what have the governing bodies done about it - nothing
People have short memories or, more likely, weren't reading this board at the time when it was discussed. Yes, the early Vaporflys used by Galen as well as Kipchoge, Shalane, and whoever else were technically illegal according to the IAAF shoe rules at the time. The IAAF was in the dark about it at the time and couldn't really go back and change the results after the fact. It's the same kind of the same strategy tech companies have used in a lot of areas, such as Uber breaking taxi laws to get established and then forcing the laws to get changed afterwards.
uh, GALEN Rupp wore illegals shoes in the Oly marathon trials and Olympics and got away with it (was that 2016). Look it up
wore shoes that were not yet available to the competitors (which is a violation of the rules)
and even disguised the shoes to look like a version that was legal.
and what have the governing bodies done about it - nothing
People have short memories or, more likely, weren't reading this board at the time when it was discussed. Yes, the early Vaporflys used by Galen as well as Kipchoge, Shalane, and whoever else were technically illegal according to the IAAF shoe rules at the time. The IAAF was in the dark about it at the time and couldn't really go back and change the results after the fact. It's the same kind of the same strategy tech companies have used in a lot of areas, such as Uber breaking taxi laws to get established and then forcing the laws to get changed afterwards.
Kinda reminds me of when Parker Valby showed up to NCAA outdoors with spiked Vaporflys that weren't available to anyone else at the time, except for maybe the likes of Jakob. I guess Nike has a longer history of this type of stuff than I realized.
They have been on the market since October. Have you been living under a rock?
Sorry, I don't keep charts on every make and model of every shoe and their release dates. I didn't see any discussion on here about it (I actually used the search function prior to posting this believe it or not) and there are several more releases of this shoe planned for this spring.
What does it matter if it was released a few months ago vs more recently? It was illegal then and it's illegal now. The discussion is the same.
These shoes are so bouncy that Nike had to put a warning on the heel that says "NOT APPROVED BY WORLD ATHLETICS."
How do we feel about this?
How would it be possible to enforce this and disqualify runners who race in these?
Obviously no one would get away with wearing these at the Olympics or World Championships, but how are you going to catch people in a major marathon with 30,000-60,000 runners?
The shoe has been on the market for months. Nike has released several colorways and each have sold out. Of course it isn't race legal, so no pro runner will race in it. It is a training shoe.
World athletics doesn't give one sh*t about the 5 hour marathoner wearing these
People that even break 3 hours etc are not required to be members of WA to run any maraton these days, nor do you even sign up for a temporary licence...so unless the race itself says " you will be DQ-ed for doing x, y and z..." they can't do anything.
World athletics doesn't give one sh*t about the 5 hour marathoner wearing these
People that even break 3 hours etc are not required to be members of WA to run any maraton these days, nor do you even sign up for a temporary licence...so unless the race itself says " you will be DQ-ed for doing x, y and z..." they can't do anything.
Might just even give me the 10 min or so to break 3hrs at 70 yo
illegal for what? do you really think someone would run a national or world class time to draw any attention for a stack measurement? this is not a "running" shoe. though marketed as such, this is a hipster, overpriced, lifestyle shoe. where do you think all the money comes from for shoe sponsorships? it's from non-runners buying running and basketball shoes.
No one would wear them in a competitive race as way too heavy and no real energy return in them.
They are out awhile now also. I bought a pair for recovery runs and don't like them. Just feels like running on a sponge. Mizuno Zen is way better and half the way, over even the megablast
These shoes are so bouncy that Nike had to put a warning on the heel that says "NOT APPROVED BY WORLD ATHLETICS."
How do we feel about this?
How would it be possible to enforce this and disqualify runners who race in these?
Obviously no one would get away with wearing these at the Olympics or World Championships, but how are you going to catch people in a major marathon with 30,000-60,000 runners?
uh, GALEN Rupp wore illegals shoes in the Oly marathon trials and Olympics and got away with it (was that 2016). Look it up
wore shoes that were not yet available to the competitors (which is a violation of the rules)
and even disguised the shoes to look like a version that was legal.
and what have the governing bodies done about it - nothing
People have short memories or, more likely, weren't reading this board at the time when it was discussed. Yes, the early Vaporflys used by Galen as well as Kipchoge, Shalane, and whoever else were technically illegal according to the IAAF shoe rules at the time. The IAAF was in the dark about it at the time and couldn't really go back and change the results after the fact. It's the same kind of the same strategy tech companies have used in a lot of areas, such as Uber breaking taxi laws to get established and then forcing the laws to get changed afterwards.
Uh, no. The IAAF shoe rules never previously prohibited the use of prototypes or shoes not available to the general public. That has been a longtime practice in our sport. Everyone knew about it, and nobody thought there was anything wrong it it. Geb set a marathon WR in prototype shoes in 2008. He also wore carbon plated shoes in other races which were never released to the public. Nike had been making one-off shoes for its athletes since the days of Pre. Deena won a bronze medal in Asics that were custom made to her specs. Heck, Bannister had custom 3 oz spikes when he ran the first sub-4.
What was different was that Nike's prototype shoes in 2016 turned out to be way better than any shoe made before. People didn't care about prototypes when all shoes were basically the same; they suddenly cared once the shoes really mattered. That's why we have this entirely new rule that shoes must be available to the general public before they are legal in competition. It's kind of a silly rule, though, since it doesn't level the playing field at all. Pro runners' shoe choices are limited by their brand affiliation, not by what's on the wall at Fleet Feet.
Anyway, these super-stack shoes may be technically illegal in competition, but they aren't racing shoes. They're super-cushioned trainers. They aren't as fast as real racing shoes.
Also, most races these days have their own policies about shoes, which supersede WA's. Just like it's not cheating to use an aluminum bat in college baseball, it's not cheating to run in 50mm shoes in a local 5k that does not follow WA rules (or even a big city marathon, many of which only require adherence to shoe rules for people in the elite field).
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