Boston is just 15 weeks away and things aren't looking promising at this point. He tried a bit of running a few days ago, just a half mile of walk/jog, but that's been it. Just lots of time on the arc trainer and pool. It's been about 6 weeks now since the injury. At this point, getting fit for Boston is going to be tough, and maybe not even advisable given the circumstance. Anyone know more about what specifically is going on?
Can someone less lazy than me look at his Strava and tell me how soon after he paced his wife's marathon did he appear to be injured? Does he start cross-training fairly soon after that or were there other runs/workouts/weeks in between?
Can someone less lazy than me look at his Strava and tell me how soon after he paced his wife's marathon did he appear to be injured? Does he start cross-training fairly soon after that or were there other runs/workouts/weeks in between?
Earlier in the thread, I mentioned him complaining about his hip. I went back to see when it was and it was in August. So it’s probably been bothering him for a while. After the 240 pacing, he ran for a week and then shut it down.
It’s been about two months since he has run. He’s been doing a lot of swimming. I don’t know about that. Sometimes I think it’s best to just rest and shut it down completely and don’t worry about the fitness.
noticed that Habtamu one of his training partners has been injured for a number of months as well. Tough business.
College coaches like Eyestone are used to getting kids with no wear and tear on them, having them for a few years, and then they’re gone. When you’re coaching pros, you have to concern yourself with longevity.
it’s possible that Mantz’s best days are already behind him. Haven’t heard much out of Clayton Young lately. Jared Ward didn’t have a long career either.
I don’t think it’s the volume so much as the intensity. These guys take a day off every week, 48 hours of recovery following the long run, which I think is really smart.
But they seem to come back too hard too quickly after elite marathon efforts. Plus, Mantz already mentioned he didn’t fuel properly, started lifting too hard, and doing too much intensity in the wake of Chicago.
The body needs a long period of recovery after a marathon. At least another week off, a down week, push the hard workouts by at least two weeks. And even then I don’t think it’s enough recovery.
I always thought the perfect approach for a pro who was looking for a 10-13 year career would be to only run one marathon per year in the fall, take a full recovery after, and only race cross country, then track and some shorter road races in the spring to summer. Then start the summer build toward the fall marathon again. Keep sharpening different systems. Stay fresh. Stay fast. Stay durable.
Hard to let go of a six figure payday though. Mantz will be back. I just hope he doesn’t fall into the injury cycle.
Sometimes I think it’s best to just rest and shut it down completely and don’t worry about the fitness.
These days typically injured athletes (including after surgery) do the opposite, and start active rehab / training as soon as possible. Which allows to bounce back incredibly quick after ACL or similar.
You shut down, the season is gone. No paycheck. Might have to prove yourself again with sponsors the year after (depending on contract).
As has been said above, might have to roll the dice and collect appearance fees. No planned races also means no anticipation on social media, lower interest and exposure, fewer opportunities for new sponsors.
Pro sports in hard, athletics is very hard, and marathon is just plain ruining the body. Milk it while you can or go for coaching/influencer/whatever already.
noticed that Habtamu one of his training partners has been injured for a number of months as well. Tough business.
Habtamu Cheney? He runs with the same team. Not really a training partner as he is well over 10 minutes behind Conner in the marathon.
Curious George is probably Cheney himself, he's got a reputation on a few of these boards and wouldn't shock me if he would post about himself for no apparent reason
Sometimes I think it’s best to just rest and shut it down completely and don’t worry about the fitness.
These days typically injured athletes (including after surgery) do the opposite, and start active rehab / training as soon as possible. Which allows to bounce back incredibly quick after ACL or similar.
You shut down, the season is gone. No paycheck. Might have to prove yourself again with sponsors the year after (depending on contract).
As has been said above, might have to roll the dice and collect appearance fees. No planned races also means no anticipation on social media, lower interest and exposure, fewer opportunities for new sponsors.
Pro sports in hard, athletics is very hard, and marathon is just plain ruining the body. Milk it while you can or go for coaching/influencer/whatever already.
I understand, but I think people over therapy things these days. And PTs are incentivized to do this.
What is the guarantee that swimming won’t make it worse?
eh, he probably did other stuff that didn't get uploaded to strava. there's still time to build fitness. I'm not too worried
Possibly. But to his credit he seems incredibly transparent with posting on Strava. And if you're willing to post a 9 minute walk/jog, I don't think you'd hold back posting an actual run if you were able to perform one.
He generally is, but will note that before the Trials when he was coming back from injury he didn't post for a couple months. It was only either right before or right after the race when he opened up visibility to past activities
Possibly. But to his credit he seems incredibly transparent with posting on Strava. And if you're willing to post a 9 minute walk/jog, I don't think you'd hold back posting an actual run if you were able to perform one.
He generally is, but will note that before the Trials when he was coming back from injury he didn't post for a couple months. It was only either right before or right after the race when he opened up visibility to past activities
Training at that level, you’re always gonna have some little minor issue. Expecting to be 100% all the time is unrealistic. It’s just a matter of not letting anything progress to the point where you have no choice but to shut it down.
Boston is just 15 weeks away and things aren't looking promising at this point. He tried a bit of running a few days ago, just a half mile of walk/jog, but that's been it. Just lots of time on the arc trainer and pool. It's been about 6 weeks now since the injury. At this point, getting fit for Boston is going to be tough, and maybe not even advisable given the circumstance. Anyone know more about what specifically is going on?
Yeah so 15 weeks is 3 months and 3 weeks. So Boston is almost four months away. You are acting like it’s only five days away. Depending on how serious the injury is, he has plenty of time.
Boston is just 15 weeks away and things aren't looking promising at this point. He tried a bit of running a few days ago, just a half mile of walk/jog, but that's been it. Just lots of time on the arc trainer and pool. It's been about 6 weeks now since the injury. At this point, getting fit for Boston is going to be tough, and maybe not even advisable given the circumstance. Anyone know more about what specifically is going on?
Yeah so 15 weeks is 3 months and 3 weeks. So Boston is almost four months away. You are acting like it’s only five days away. Depending on how serious the injury is, he has plenty of time.
Map it out for us. Conner has been off from running for about 6 weeks. His last run documented on Strava was merely a half mile (0.49 to be exact) in which he alternated ~45 seconds of jogging with ~45 seconds of walking. That was on January 2.
How would you propose someone go from a half mile of jogging/walking on January 2 to doing the world class training necessary to be competitive in the elite field of the Boston Marathon on April 20?