Femke vs Handsome Hoey: who gets the 800 WR first?

You should just train for the 400 if you’re running that fast for the last rep of a workout. The world record for 40 year olds in the 400 is only about a second faster. Maybe next year you can break it.

Why do you feel the need to lie so much?

You think Bol is going to the 800m to start losing?

Bol should get to 155 pretty fast, after that who knows? depends on aerobic ability from there. don't have data to speculate, such as cross country ability..

It would have to be, for a runner who didn't make it through the last US trials to be better than Rudisha's world mark.

Not a clue, but the majority of folks on this site believe that he’s a clean generational talent, for whatever that’s worth haha

It seems to me that most believed he is not clean. He seems pretty suspicious.

Obvious to many, but most claims that he’s on something are heavily downvoted, or met with sharp criticism.

Are you looking for an argument or something? Grow a brain.

Nope, not looking for an argument and "grow a brain" isn't directed at you. It was what I put in for username when I answered Chef Ramzi when he started this thread and replied that neither Bol or Hoey will achieve what he claims they will.

As for Hoey, it's pretty obvious he's doping. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive.

If either does, I vote for Femke. She has a real coach and program. I fear that JH willat some point run himself into the ground. He might wan to learn the lesson of.."If it's not broken, don't fix it."

The better question is "who is more likely to break their respective WR?" and it's an interesting one. Assuming both or either one of them will is a big stretch.

Obviously Hoey is considerably closer as of today. He is only* 1.11 seconds away from running the WR, but I put only with an asterisk because obviously a second at this level of running is a lot greater than a second from say 1.45 to 1.44. He just ran under 1.13 for 600m and even though it was on the Boston track and a performance that really is on par with his outdoor level last season, the pieces of that puzzle appear to at least be there in theory.

Bol has never run a competitive 800m. She almost certainly has run one in training or at least a 600m that gave her camp some idea that this move isn't a stupid one. She has more than enough speed to run under 1.53, but that is and has never been the issue with female 800m runners - it has always been anaerobic threshold and then very poor capacity and power once they cross that threshold. Could she be the outlier of all outliers in this respect? The 400m hurdles ability helps, but you have to think she would need to also be down around in the 4.04/5 ballpark over 1500m for that line up.

One thing in her favor is that the womens 800m is actually a lot weaker than we perceive it to be. Parity with the mens record is 1.52.43. Parity with the womens 400m and 1500m world bests from 2025 (one is the WR, the other should be) should have it around 1.52.8. Parity with Bols 400mH PR is also 1.52.43. Bol doesn't even need to come close to reaching the same level of performance she did in the hurdles and she could do it.

So Hoey is closer and is a known quantity. Bol has a much easier time to shoot at but is a completely unknown quantity. The reality is she could only be a 1.56/7 runner - we just don't know.

Even though I personally think neither get the WR, I'll still give Hoey the edge as more likely to. Eventually he's going to run himself into a standstill that will crater his career window for running his absolute best, but he might pop something off before that happens (probably within the next 6-8 months) Impossible to hang anything on Bol until we've actually seen her run two laps at any sort of high performance level.

In contention throughout Diamond League circuit with at least one win, a medal at Ultimate Championship, sub 1:55 would be a successful season.

Sage Hurta-Klecker (54, 4:01 runner) has run 1:55. Jemma Reekie (55, 3:58 runner) has run 1:55. Multiple women with less physical ability have run 1:54.

(this said, the world record is another thing entirely. i think she is likely to be spectacularly impressive at 800m, among the world top 5 immediately, and a strong contender to get under 1:54. but that still doesn't mean she gets the world record. odds very much against her.)

Not when he's getting drugged tested.

I like Femke a great deal. She’s one of my favorite pros. There is absolutely no way in hell she is close to the WR. She can’t beat Keely either. If anyone were to beat the WR & consistently beat Keely I would want that person to be Femke.

Hoey to beat the WR? Hell no plus he’s a smug fukk.

51 flat in the 400m trained for the 800m and ran 2:03. That is atrocious, there are very few people on the planet that can run 51 that can't run 2:03 (that aren't female 100/200 runners). Your argument is so ridiculously stupid, Femke will probably run 1:56 (not fast btw), but claiming her terrible teammate gave her confidence is hilarious. It's also hilarious that Femke went from targeting the weakest women's event to the second weakest one, what a joke.

It’s strange that no one has even broken 1:54 in more than 40 years.

There were several dsd athletes and Pamela Jelimo who ran 1:54.01 as a teenager.

It will probably happen in the next few years.

I honestly think what's even stranger is that in the last 2-3 years where we have seen massive improvements in all womens MD events (huge jumps in the 1500/5000m for both the very top and the next tier down) we haven't seen this translate to the 800m. On the mens side we haven't seen WR's over the 8 or 15, but we have certainly seen the top of the all-time world compress with multiple 1.41/2 performances in the 8 and 3.27-29 performances in the 15.

The only event that seems stuck in a time warp is the womens 800m.

I actually think it's coaching that is the issue. I'm not quite sure the coaches of the top women have quite figured out how to take into account female physiology and how it handles/reacts to the 800m and applied training principals to it.

Like the one thing I agree with Kersee about, is that with 49 second 400m and 4.03 1500m endurance, a hungry and motivated Athing Mu could run under 1.53.0. Someone said to me once if you took Sage Hurter-Kleckers focus, determination and ability to get everything out of her talent, merged it with Mu's physical gifts and applied the right race strategy/execution then you have your sub 1.53. I don't disagree.

If we look at the 800m progression of Hoey it looks very strange (suspicious?)his jump from 1:47- 1:48 down to sub 1:44 from year 2023 to 2024 and then 1:42 2025. Did he change coach and / or training method?

i hope you're not into gambling.

in the last few years, the dominant man at 5000m has been a 1500m runner. the men's world record holder at 400h was beaten in a sprint by a pole vaulter. the women's olympic marathon was won by a woman who has been a champion at 1500m and was simultaneously competitive down to 5000m.

and the tokyo olympic champion at w800 was a 19 year old international rookie that mainly ran 400