I think their only shot is to go fast from the gun. Few possibilities if they do this
1. OSUs milers can handle the pace and they win the race
2. OSUs guys blow up and Iowa state, UNM hang on (UNM is thin though after their 5th)
3. OSU hangs back off the pace and can’t close the gap. I think this is the most likely situation. Play it safe but can’t close on the guys up front. Happened to BYU in 2017 and OSU at home.
I think if it is a super fast race you could see a team sneak onto the podium that we don’t expect. Run for top 5 and fall forward kind of thing
Why can’t they run an even pace and run some people down? Whether they run with a teammate or not, shouldn’t each runner run the race in a way that works best for them individually? I don’t recall any time where an entire team went out too fast. They aren’t the 2003 Stanford Cardinals.
Yeah, Im not smart enough to figure out how to get 7 guys to to all run the same record pace, strategize against other teams, keep score, check their watches and make timely adjustments to come out on top at a national championship competition.
Posters here always make it sound so easy as if that's all that needs to be done. And if there's a 1 point loss/victory or a tie, they immediately have 10 answers as to how it could have been controlled and done differently.
I guess its just a lot more complicated than I thought it was.
I believe the NCAA cross country championships is the hardest cross country race in the world. The depth is insane. I used to coach and I had some Euro guys say Euro and World cross can’t touch the depth of the NCAA race. Everyone is good.
With that said it would be awesome to run even splits the whole way but it is I possible with the traffic. Falls can happen further back, fighting through the pack is hard. Usually the top 4 teams are all in the top 5-6 teams at 4k (unless someone comes storming from 10-12th to get 4th but not too 3). There are a few guys that do it every year, the Montana state kid did a nice job.
This is a flat east course, lots of turns. You go out too slow you could be 150th and 20 seconds back quickly.
I think their only shot is to go fast from the gun. Few possibilities if they do this
1. OSUs milers can handle the pace and they win the race
2. OSUs guys blow up and Iowa state, UNM hang on (UNM is thin though after their 5th)
3. OSU hangs back off the pace and can’t close the gap. I think this is the most likely situation. Play it safe but can’t close on the guys up front. Happened to BYU in 2017 and OSU at home.
I think if it is a super fast race you could see a team sneak onto the podium that we don’t expect. Run for top 5 and fall forward kind of thing
Why can’t they run an even pace and run some people down? Whether they run with a teammate or not, shouldn’t each runner run the race in a way that works best for them individually? I don’t recall any time where an entire team went out too fast. They aren’t the 2003 Stanford Cardinals.
There is no such thing as the Stanford Cardinals. It is Stanford Cardinal. As in the color. NOT the animal.
Also, the reality of recruiting local talent only pretty much puts a top ten at NCAAs out of the picture.
Iowa State does actually get local talent, and when they do well, the sniff the top 7....then go on to finish 100th at NCAA cross.
Here's something else to chew on. A few years ago the NCAA national championships were held in Tallahassee...so was club cross. The winning time from club cross would've placed in the 90s at the NCAA race.
I get that, but there’s just more on the line at ncaa xc
you get transported to xc races, live in a house with guys grinding for the same coal, our running culture puts pressure on it
the club cross top 10 has guys who work a job and get their miles in before and after work
I am curious if all Iowa taxpayers are happy they are subsidizing all these foreigners. Wouldn't they prefer their tax dollars go to support young Iowa runners?
Unfortunately, no one cares about XC, track, and the other minor non-revenue sports. They only care about football and men's basketball.
Remember John Cook from George Mason- 1995? No? Yeah- that's because he was always cheating- no matter what IA State accomplishes- they'll be lucky to be revered as much as UTEP in 1975- admit it- you can't remember one athlete from that team- and you had to google John Cook and Ted Banks. It's not worth it Jeremy.
I believe the NCAA cross country championships is the hardest cross country race in the world. The depth is insane. I used to coach and I had some Euro guys say Euro and World cross can’t touch the depth of the NCAA race. Everyone is good.
With that said it would be awesome to run even splits the whole way but it is I possible with the traffic. Falls can happen further back, fighting through the pack is hard. Usually the top 4 teams are all in the top 5-6 teams at 4k (unless someone comes storming from 10-12th to get 4th but not too 3). There are a few guys that do it every year, the Montana state kid did a nice job.
This is a flat east course, lots of turns. You go out too slow you could be 150th and 20 seconds back quickly.
Terrible take, not even remotely true about being 20 seconds back in 150th place. You've obviously never seen this course, extremely easy to move up in the pack throughout. The men have the long straightaway that they start on 3 more times for example and that has to be easily 600-700 meters long.
I believe the NCAA cross country championships is the hardest cross country race in the world. The depth is insane. I used to coach and I had some Euro guys say Euro and World cross can’t touch the depth of the NCAA race. Everyone is good.
With that said it would be awesome to run even splits the whole way but it is I possible with the traffic. Falls can happen further back, fighting through the pack is hard. Usually the top 4 teams are all in the top 5-6 teams at 4k (unless someone comes storming from 10-12th to get 4th but not too 3). There are a few guys that do it every year, the Montana state kid did a nice job.
This is a flat east course, lots of turns. You go out too slow you could be 150th and 20 seconds back quickly.
Terrible take, not even remotely true about being 20 seconds back in 150th place. You've obviously never seen this course, extremely easy to move up in the pack throughout. The men have the long straightaway that they start on 3 more times for example and that has to be easily 600-700 meters long.
Not if you get buried and boxed in 10 people deep each side. Look at what happened to OK state men’s and Oregon women’s back end scorer at NCAA’s last year.
You have to be strategic and have good spatial awareness when getting out so you can either move up 100+ spots mid race and not get pushed around/ waste energy. It’s easy to move around at a smaller meet as compared to NCAA’s. There are 13:4x guys that will struggle to break 200th place.
Why can’t they run an even pace and run some people down? Whether they run with a teammate or not, shouldn’t each runner run the race in a way that works best for them individually? I don’t recall any time where an entire team went out too fast. They aren’t the 2003 Stanford Cardinals.
There is no such thing as the Stanford Cardinals. It is Stanford Cardinal. As in the color. NOT the animal.