still way behind, but this is a huge positive step. instead of being 35 years behind, it's only 20.
Who can take us to 2:03? Is Grant Fisher a mid 2:03 guy or a mid 2:02 guy?
Fisher could maybe run a bit better (in relative terms) than Kennedy did in the marathon. He should beat Rupp's best mark but don't see him ever getting to Mantz's level. 10K times have little at all to do with marathon performance. See also: Klecker.
still way behind, but this is a huge positive step. instead of being 35 years behind, it's only 20.
Who can take us to 2:03? Is Grant Fisher a mid 2:03 guy or a mid 2:02 guy?
Fisher could maybe run a bit better (in relative terms) than Kennedy did in the marathon. He should beat Rupp's best mark but don't see him ever getting to Mantz's level. 10K times have little at all to do with marathon performance. See also: Klecker.
I don't think we can know that until Fisher at least shows some range going up to the half.
Great track runners who translated to great marathoners are in abundance.
Bekele, Kipchoge, Haille. Even Farah, a 3:28/26:4x guy ran a low 2:05 past his prime.
Fisher could maybe run a bit better (in relative terms) than Kennedy did in the marathon. He should beat Rupp's best mark but don't see him ever getting to Mantz's level. 10K times have little at all to do with marathon performance. See also: Klecker.
I don't think we can know that until Fisher at least shows some range going up to the half.
Great track runners who translated to great marathoners are in abundance.
Bekele, Kipchoge, Haille. Even Farah, a 3:28/26:4x guy ran a low 2:05 past his prime.
Right, so it makes zero sense to speculate at all. There is no information regarding when he might debut for even the half. If it's after LA that's probably too late to expect an AR.
Read as: Doper dopes using doped up super shoes in training (Voleros) with +55mm stack and likely illegal stack from forefoot to mid foot heel drop, multiple carbon plates/rods, bio mechanical advantage spring based Pebax foam, TUE for thyroxine, testosterone, EPO, and the new mitochondrial based medication and you want us to be impressed???
Khalid ran that in 2002 clean as a whistle in non supershoes.
This is as much a farce as Kipyegon’s 3D printed speed suit in her “breaking four” attempt.
Until there is a STANDARD for these super shoes and time grading for wind, course, conditions and mandatory bloodwork and urinalysis before actual record attempts this is no more than an overblown quasi-enhanced games.
Also,
EMMANUEL WANYONYI IS ON ERYTHROPOIETIN!!!
That is all.
Old man yells at cloud
They’re 100% right but, must’ve struck a nerve with the bouncy-shoe generation. Prime Khannouchi would obliterate Mantz anytime, anywhere and we all know it. Good thing no one gives a crap who the AR holder is in the marathon.
still way behind, but this is a huge positive step. instead of being 35 years behind, it's only 20.
Yeah, this doesn't really feel like that big of a deal, because I guess the best US marathoners will be running 2:02 in about another 10 years or so... ?
Also, is Conner Mantz clean?
Is it possible to run 2:04 clean... and with Mantz's ridiculous looking form?
still way behind, but this is a huge positive step. instead of being 35 years behind, it's only 20.
Who can take us to 2:03? Is Grant Fisher a mid 2:03 guy or a mid 2:02 guy?
Fisher could maybe run a bit better (in relative terms) than Kennedy did in the marathon. He should beat Rupp's best mark but don't see him ever getting to Mantz's level. 10K times have little at all to do with marathon performance. See also: Klecker.
You can’t be serious. Comparing Grant to Kennedy and Klecker is a joke. He’s on a higher than either of those two ever were. His 10k PR is over 30 seconds faster than Klecker’s. Plus Klecker and Kennedy are big and tall, too big to run a fast marathon. Grant is built smaller like the East Africans, though he is stockier and more muscular. He has way more upside in the marathon than Kennedy, Klecker, and even Rupp. It’s difficult to project how good he will be because there isn’t enough information. Grant has never raced on the roads. He was second at NCAAs in XC (Stanford curse). I think there is every reason to believe that Grant will excel at longer distances until we see evidence that he can’t.
Khalid Khannouchi's old mark of 2:05:38 that had stood for 20+ years if finally no more.
5th place.
After a super fast first 5k (14:23), he ran pretty even the rest of the way. 62:19 at the half.
Thoughts?
Nice run. Thank g-d we have a national record now below 2:05. He probably has a few years left to push the record down to under 2:04 and get on a few WMM podiums. He needs some of the latter to be in the conversation as the US marathon goat. Olympic gold is not happening, but if he runs 2:03 and can manage any global medal or several WMM medals, I think, given strength of competition now, we can then say he's greater than Shorter, Rodgers, Rupp or Hall, but not yet.
still way behind, but this is a huge positive step. instead of being 35 years behind, it's only 20.
Who can take us to 2:03? Is Grant Fisher a mid 2:03 guy or a mid 2:02 guy?
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I'm a huge Grant Fisher fan but let's not jump ahead of ourselves with can Grant take the AR to 2:03 or 2:02. Connor Mantz has more good marathons in his legs AND did you not hear his coach? Ed Eyestone proclaimed, "I guess sub 2:04 is next", only seconds after Connor 🏃 crossed the finish line.
2:06-2:07 in traditional shoes. Not that impressive.
You’re being generous. I’d bet not under 2:08. Queue the downvotes. Funny thing is, this can easily be answered. But then we wouldn’t have the clown show.