Armstronglivs wrote:
Women are better responders?
What exactly are you talking about? When i hear responder I think if a paramedic or ambulance driver.
Coach dahl
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Banned Coevett Again wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Women are better responders?
Has to be something like this. Or maybe women have an advantage of some kind in evading testers, or bribing them? The men can only offer tea money...
Did they really ban you again? For upsetting the rekbot? Or are you just having fun with that username?
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Mocazilla wrote:
Probably a talent drought between 5-10k and people going straight to the marathon. To be honest, the Kenyan women aren't doing much better if you take out Chebet. Ngetich is more of a road racer.
The boring but correct answer, someone like Ebenyo or Mateiko are straight to the roads. Theyre not killing it at the Junior level and have had many not develop as hoped. The women have the superstars but at 5,000 and 10,000 they arent deep with medal threats as again its roads. Kipkurui, the Serems, Musau are the types of talents they need to hit and in the next few years. Or else theyll go to the roads too. But the mens ranks are also more competitive than the womens
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Why hasn't anyone made fun of Rojo about the title yet? as c'mon everyone, as "your" slipping.
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You keep ignoring the elephant in the room. That several of mostly male fast Kenyan 1500 - HM racers, including Kipruto, Kandie, Koech, Manangoi, Kwemoi, Langat, Korio, and Kisorio, have been banned in the last five years or so not only removed them from the talent pool, but also might have a detrimental effect on the doping of the others. On the women's side, who was there besides Aprot and Anyango?
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rojo wrote:
I came across an article on how the Kenyan men aren't doing as well as the Kenyan women. I think looking into that is interesting but think the conclusions in this article are totally illogical.
Kenya's coach Julis Kirwa calls "for a review of the selection criteria in the men’s ranks, especially in the 5,000m and 10,000m.
What? The selectrion criteria was the same fo the women and they won both events.
He even says they should only take the winner of the Kenyan Trials and then have a committee pick the rest of the team.
Going forward, Kirwa feels only the top athlete across the line during National Trials should be guaranteed a place in the Kenyan team. “Those who occupy between positions two and four will have to rely on the final selection closer to the championships,” he noted.
Why? It's not like there are Kenyan men dominating the circuit who didn't end up on the team.
I’ll actually agree with your take. Pretty sure I read an article where Winfred Yavi said she left Kenya because there was too much politics/ambiguity in the selection criteria. In the article below, she specifically mentions finishing 3rd at trials and them only using that for the top two. Only selecting the top person from the trials is going to push even more athletes to switch allegiances. Obviously, the ‘committee’ wants the power to pick, but honestly everyone knows they are getting kickbacks from sponsors, managers etc to pick runners who might not be the best. This system in general is why top athletes are forgoing the process entirely and racing marathon majors.
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Actual link… it pasted funny
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One reason could be that some Kenyan women have a training advantage. Listening to people who have been out to Kenya to follow various training groups, both Faith Kipyegon and Beatrice Chebet train exclusively with male pacers. From what I've read, that's also been the case for Jess Hull since she moved to Australia and we've seen the leap she's made. I think the same is true for Keely Hodgkinson with M11
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Remember how when Ma's army dominated distance running, Chinese men were not where to be seen?
I think the answer is testosterone doping bridges the gender gap for women, but does much less for men.
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LarsL11 wrote:
"Why there women were"
I see people use there instead of their all the time, but I don’t understand how people make this error. Maybe because english isn't my first language. Is it because of a voice to text app or something like that?
Sadly it's not due to a voice app. Many Americans are barely literate. In rojo's case it's compounded with ignorance, laziness, and stupidity. Try not to let it bother you.
Cheers.
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Kl wrote:
USA men distance runners are waay better than USA women.
If Kenyan men being outperfomed by women you say women are better responders... We could use the same logic and say USA men are better responders than women too
Kenyan men especially kal3njins have never been good kickers and races are usually won by a last lap kick. Good endurance but in a kicker's race its very few kenyan men who have come on top thats why most move to the roads earlier. They cant easily win track races due to lack of a kick
True.
Top NCAA male runners have to be knocking on world class levels (3:30, 7:30, 13:00) to win titles and are only one step away from making national teams. Top NCAA women are comparably mediocre, because they just don't have the same pressures to be as competitive.
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Uganda's Kalenjins (Cheptegei mainly) were so good, it stole the thunder from Kenya's Kalenjins.
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ykw wrote:
Remember how when Ma's army dominated distance running, Chinese men were not where to be seen?
I think the answer is testosterone doping bridges the gender gap for women, but does much less for men.
I wonder if this can also explain why American women do so well in swimming while their men win very little? 🤔 From Worlds:
Men: 🥇
Women: 🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇50 -
swimming observer wrote:
ykw wrote:
Remember how when Ma's army dominated distance running, Chinese men were not where to be seen?
I think the answer is testosterone doping bridges the gender gap for women, but does much less for men.
I wonder if this can also explain why American women do so well in swimming while their men win very little? 🤔 From Worlds:
Men: 🥇
Women: 🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇Part of it may be that US women still have less avenues when it comes to top level sports, in that most men have more and better paying profrssional alternatives. Equal treatment isn’t going to get women into MLB, the NFL etc. The WNBA is seen as a third rate circus, etc.
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Everybody's an expert on Kenya. A variation of this article comes out every couple of years. Like 2012 when Kenya could muster only two golds at the Olympics or 2013 when Team USA beat the senior Kenyan men's team at the World Cross Country Championships. And don't forget the Kenyan men haven't won the 5000 or 10,000 in over 2 decades.
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The explanation could actually be much simpler than that.
The numbers are there .You could have a dozen Kenyan 5000/10000m in the final of any championship ,but the perennial problem is that they lack finishing kick.
The day they will have a few with a strong finishing kick,they will be back on top.
The Ethiopians have always exploited this Kenyan weakness for 2 decades and every time it works.
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answer the question rojo wrote:
Did you make the430miler psycho troll a moderator?!?!!!
Yes why tf did you do such a thing
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El Keniano wrote:
Everybody's an expert on Kenya. A variation of this article comes out every couple of years. Like 2012 when Kenya could muster only two golds at the Olympics or 2013 when Team USA beat the senior Kenyan men's team at the World Cross Country Championships. And don't forget the Kenyan men haven't won the 5000 or 10,000 in over 2 decades.
Again, the downvotes.. Can any of you point to a specific global championship this century when Kenyan men dominated the 5 or 10? No, you can't!
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Sponkert wrote:
You keep ignoring the elephant in the room. That several of mostly male fast Kenyan 1500 - HM racers, including Kipruto, Kandie, Koech, Manangoi, Kwemoi, Langat, Korio, and Kisorio, have been banned in the last five years or so not only removed them from the talent pool, but also might have a detrimental effect on the doping of the others. On the women's side, who was there besides Aprot and Anyango?
Again these guys outside of Manangoi were bronze at best? Most not beating the guys who do rep Kenya domestically or otherwise. Track runners need speed and a kick. The NCAA seems to develop these things better than Kenya currently. Their current blue-chippers are Alamisi Kipkurui, Denis Kipkoech, Brian Musau, Edmund Serem, if they hit like the last women’s crop nobody will care about depth any more.
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the430miler wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Women are better responders?
What exactly are you talking about? When i hear responder I think if a paramedic or ambulance driver.
Coach dahl
nice try at deflection, coach. were you one of selby's team?
duh i never new what testosterone was nor that women respond better because they naturally have less. i cant be doping if i didnt know that.
or OTH, a coach who outs himself as knowing less than arstronglivs. nice one.
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