This woman wins and wins and Letsrun has nothing but bad things to say. She isn't required to run even pace, so why not just celebrate her unique style?
She wins a bunch of DL time trials but she is 0-16 against Faith.
Is anyone able to explain why Tsegay chooses to run like this? 1:59.9 is 3:44 pace. She still somehow manages to run 3:50.62, the #5 time in history, but it feels like the WR wasn't out of the question if she simply came through a second (or two) slower. My mind can't understand why she races this way.
Its easy to understand. She's trying to test her limits.
Is anyone able to explain why Tsegay chooses to run like this? 1:59.9 is 3:44 pace. She still somehow manages to run 3:50.62, the #5 time in history, but it feels like the WR wasn't out of the question if she simply came through a second (or two) slower. My mind can't understand why she races this way.
Its easy to understand. She's trying to test her limits.
She can still test her limits while running a more optimally paced race. I agree that she just didn't want Chebet anywhere within striking distance with 400 to go after being badly out kicked in their earlier races.
It will be interesting to see if she tries this strategy in Tokyo in the 5000 where she will have to sustain the pace for a lot longer and Chebet and Kipyegon will try to keep it slower.
Its easy to understand. She's trying to test her limits.
She can still test her limits while running a more optimally paced race. I agree that she just didn't want Chebet anywhere within striking distance with 400 to go after being badly out kicked in their earlier races.
It will be interesting to see if she tries this strategy in Tokyo in the 5000 where she will have to sustain the pace for a lot longer and Chebet and Kipyegon will try to keep it slower.
She's not running for your approval of what you think is optimal. She's running to test her limits.
She can still test her limits while running a more optimally paced race. I agree that she just didn't want Chebet anywhere within striking distance with 400 to go after being badly out kicked in their earlier races.
It will be interesting to see if she tries this strategy in Tokyo in the 5000 where she will have to sustain the pace for a lot longer and Chebet and Kipyegon will try to keep it slower.
She's not running for your approval of what you think is optimal. She's running to test her limits.
She’s running to win the race. Tsegay didn’t go out in 1:59 because she thought she would run 3:44. She did it because it enabled her to beat Beatrice Chebet.
Is anyone able to explain why Tsegay chooses to run like this? 1:59.9 is 3:44 pace. She still somehow manages to run 3:50.62, the #5 time in history, but it feels like the WR wasn't out of the question if she simply came through a second (or two) slower. My mind can't understand why she races this way.
I wish a knowledgeable journalist (Jonathan) would ask her these questions. 1) are these her intended splits or is she going faster than she intends; 2) Does she have reason to believe she can hold this pace longer than she does and is she surprised by her fade; 3) If she is aware she will fade, has she concluded this is still her best option to win or to post her fastest time, and if so why?
Kipyegon used to do this too. She was the best in the world anyway, bu she would go out in 59-60 and spend 1100m fading. It was not as big of a deal because she was still dominant. Th e next year when sh started crushing records, people yelled "drugs" an maybe that's true, but I would argue that the improvements she made could have been entirely related to tactics and not at all to a fitness gain. If Tsegey studies Kipyegon's progress and makes similar adjustments, she could see a breakthrough well pas 3:50.
Is anyone able to explain why Tsegay chooses to run like this? 1:59.9 is 3:44 pace. She still somehow manages to run 3:50.62, the #5 time in history, but it feels like the WR wasn't out of the question if she simply came through a second (or two) slower. My mind can't understand why she races this way.
I wish a knowledgeable journalist (Jonathan) would ask her these questions. 1) are these her intended splits or is she going faster than she intends; 2) Does she have reason to believe she can hold this pace longer than she does and is she surprised by her fade; 3) If she is aware she will fade, has she concluded this is still her best option to win or to post her fastest time, and if so why?
The race result speaks for itself. Running 3:50 with a significant positive split, indicates she is capable of setting a WR. As is the case for Ingebrigtsen, she needs to decide how aggressive she wants to be at WC. I don’t know about questions 1) and (2 but she’s not going to share her WC strategy.
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I wish a knowledgeable journalist (Jonathan) would ask her these questions. 1) are these her intended splits or is she going faster than she intends; 2) Does she have reason to believe she can hold this pace longer than she does and is she surprised by her fade; 3) If she is aware she will fade, has she concluded this is still her best option to win or to post her fastest time, and if so why?
The race result speaks for itself. Running 3:50 with a significant positive split, indicates she is capable of setting a WR. As is the case for Ingebrigtsen, she needs to decide how aggressive she wants to be at WC. I don’t know about questions 1) and (2 but she’s not going to share her WC strategy.
Seems like she's made her "strategy" clear over and over and over. I'm sure a good journalist can extract some better insights still as to why. If not before worlds, then after. Her approach is not conventional front running like Jakob, it's something all together beyond. I'm not sure what would be exactly equivalent, but it's like if Jakob opened in 53 and ran 1:48 for the first 800.
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Its easy to understand. She's trying to test her limits.
She can still test her limits while running a more optimally paced race. I agree that she just didn't want Chebet anywhere within striking distance with 400 to go after being badly out kicked in their earlier races.
It will be interesting to see if she tries this strategy in Tokyo in the 5000 where she will have to sustain the pace for a lot longer and Chebet and Kipyegon will try to keep it slower.
I firmly believe that her best strategy in the 5000 is to turn it into a 1500m time trial, where the first 3500m are a slow jog, then a quick switch to 3:51 1500 pace. Chebet will be able to match it in all likelihood and still grab gold or silver, but I think this is Tsegay's best chance at one of the lighter medals. I think Tsegay will probably be able to out kick Ngetich for bronze, she Ngetich hasn't shown she has a kick of any kind yet.
She can still test her limits while running a more optimally paced race. I agree that she just didn't want Chebet anywhere within striking distance with 400 to go after being badly out kicked in their earlier races.
It will be interesting to see if she tries this strategy in Tokyo in the 5000 where she will have to sustain the pace for a lot longer and Chebet and Kipyegon will try to keep it slower.
I firmly believe that her best strategy in the 5000 is to turn it into a 1500m time trial, where the first 3500m are a slow jog, then a quick switch to 3:51 1500 pace. Chebet will be able to match it in all likelihood and still grab gold or silver, but I think this is Tsegay's best chance at one of the lighter medals. I think Tsegay will probably be able to out kick Ngetich for bronze, she Ngetich hasn't shown she has a kick of any kind yet.
That strategy would play firmly into the hands of Kipyegon, but I don’t know if there’s a way to avoid that. Maybe a push at 2000m or 2400m?
Yaa! As I said on the London DL thread Tsegay delivers top quality entertainment. She knows what she is doing and does it well and makes more $$ because she uses what you LRBF consider an unwise tactic... I love it! Go harder 1:58 to open!!
Kipyegon used to do this too. She was the best in the world anyway, bu she would go out in 59-60 and spend 1100m fading. It was not as big of a deal because she was still dominant. Th e next year when sh started crushing records, people yelled "drugs" an maybe that's true, but I would argue that the improvements she made could have been entirely related to tactics and not at all to a fitness gain. If Tsegey studies Kipyegon's progress and makes similar adjustments, she could see a breakthrough well pas 3:50.
You are maybe thinking of Genzebe Dibaba. Faith goes with the pace but was known for her kick/finish rather than fast first 800.
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She can still test her limits while running a more optimally paced race. I agree that she just didn't want Chebet anywhere within striking distance with 400 to go after being badly out kicked in their earlier races.
It will be interesting to see if she tries this strategy in Tokyo in the 5000 where she will have to sustain the pace for a lot longer and Chebet and Kipyegon will try to keep it slower.
I firmly believe that her best strategy in the 5000 is to turn it into a 1500m time trial, where the first 3500m are a slow jog, then a quick switch to 3:51 1500 pace. Chebet will be able to match it in all likelihood and still grab gold or silver, but I think this is Tsegay's best chance at one of the lighter medals. I think Tsegay will probably be able to out kick Ngetich for bronze, she Ngetich hasn't shown she has a kick of any kind yet.
Re- watch her Grand Slam Track she out kicked some pretty decent kickers in Taye and Eisa
I mean even in that WR race in Eugene you can see Ng'etich shift and kick past Tsegay
it isn't Kipyegon/chebet esque shifting, but it's not nothing
I firmly believe that her best strategy in the 5000 is to turn it into a 1500m time trial, where the first 3500m are a slow jog, then a quick switch to 3:51 1500 pace. Chebet will be able to match it in all likelihood and still grab gold or silver, but I think this is Tsegay's best chance at one of the lighter medals. I think Tsegay will probably be able to out kick Ngetich for bronze, she Ngetich hasn't shown she has a kick of any kind yet.
That strategy would play firmly into the hands of Kipyegon, but I don’t know if there’s a way to avoid that. Maybe a push at 2000m or 2400m?
There is no strategy where Tsegay gets the win over Kipyegon. Chebet is unproven at 1500, but clearly is much faster than Tsegay over 400 and under. Tsegay's only shot at silver is the strategy I mentioned. Otherwise, she'll be lucky to get bronze.