Halfway in, you could clearly the see the difference between an elite man like Grant Fisher (or Stewy McSweyn) and Faith Kipyegon. The entire race Fisher looked like he was JOGGING at 4 minute pace and Faith looked like she was holding on for dear life. It was like a parent playing with a child.
I agree having her surrounded by the men wasn't a good look. They were clearly doing it more comfortably.
To say it looked like 'JOGGING' is misogynistic hyperbole. This type of comparison (look how EASY it was for the men) is just so unhelpful.
Grant Fisher JOGS at 5:30s. His 5k indoor record was 4.05 pace. This was not an easy effort for him, Grant was running today for a mile at his 5k record pace. Of course he can do that, but he was working hard.
Halfway in, you could clearly the see the difference between an elite man like Grant Fisher (or Stewy McSweyn) and Faith Kipyegon. The entire race Fisher looked like he was JOGGING at 4 minute pace and Faith looked like she was holding on for dear life. It was like a parent playing with a child.
I agree having her surrounded by the men wasn't a good look. They were clearly doing it more comfortably.
To say it looked like 'JOGGING' is misogynistic hyperbole. This type of comparison (look how EASY it was for the men) is just so unhelpful.
Grant Fisher JOGS at 5:30s. His 5k indoor record was 4.05 pace. This was not an easy effort for him, Grant was running today for a mile at his 5k record pace. Of course he can do that, but he was working hard.
that's hilarious, this was not hard for him. Dry those eyes, dear.
hope you're enjoying that ice cream and Gilmore Girls rerun tonight.
Halfway in, you could clearly the see the difference between an elite man like Grant Fisher (or Stewy McSweyn) and Faith Kipyegon. The entire race Fisher looked like he was JOGGING at 4 minute pace and Faith looked like she was holding on for dear life. It was like a parent playing with a child.
I agree having her surrounded by the men wasn't a good look. They were clearly doing it more comfortably.
To say it looked like 'JOGGING' is misogynistic hyperbole. This type of comparison (look how EASY it was for the men) is just so unhelpful.
Grant Fisher JOGS at 5:30s. His 5k indoor record was 4.05 pace. This was not an easy effort for him, Grant was running today for a mile at his 5k record pace. Of course he can do that, but he was working hard.
As if running slightly less than a 1/3 of a reasonable goal 5000m time was taxing.. lol. I’m sure he could run 3-5x of those with 5 minutes rest.
Halfway in, you could clearly the see the difference between an elite man like Grant Fisher (or Stewy McSweyn) and Faith Kipyegon. The entire race Fisher looked like he was JOGGING at 4 minute pace and Faith looked like she was holding on for dear life. It was like a parent playing with a child.
I agree having her surrounded by the men wasn't a good look. They were clearly doing it more comfortably.
To say it looked like 'JOGGING' is misogynistic hyperbole. This type of comparison (look how EASY it was for the men) is just so unhelpful.
Grant Fisher JOGS at 5:30s. His 5k indoor record was 4.05 pace. This was not an easy effort for him, Grant was running today for a mile at his 5k record pace. Of course he can do that, but he was working hard.
For the jojo, even“jogging” is probably hard these days, so he gets the two confused.
I loved your post. I've never understood why the quest for women's equality and accomplishments for many means acting like men and women are the same - we're not.
The thing that really struck me during the race was a bit ironic. I found it interesting that in a race that was hyped with Faith saying, "Anything a man can do, a woman can do", ended up letting the world clearly see in black and white that's not remotely true when it comes to elite sports.
Halfway in, you could clearly the see the difference between an elite man like Grant Fisher (or Stewy McSweyn) and Faith Kipyegon. The entire race Fisher looked like he was JOGGING at 4 minute pace and Faith looked like she was holding on for dear life. It was like a parent playing with a child.
right
the culture is social engineered by gasslighters, who make a mockery of common sense.
true back in the day, they stereotyped women, like they stereotyped everything what so ever. this would be the average folk, the conglomerate, of semi educated masses. which is to say, they're not the brightest.
the gasslighters recognize that masses mental defects, and bend the prejudgices in the opposite direction.
hence, women can do anything a man can do. and men can have babies, there are many kinds of sexes, at least a dozen, and this kind of nonsense, that is under discussion in the west, all the while the emporor has no clothes, everybody with non zombie IQ knows this.
anyway that is why you have this nonsense.
that said
the athlete is very athletic, talented, graceful. how about that?
I agree having her surrounded by the men wasn't a good look. They were clearly doing it more comfortably.
To say it looked like 'JOGGING' is misogynistic hyperbole. This type of comparison (look how EASY it was for the men) is just so unhelpful.
Grant Fisher JOGS at 5:30s. His 5k indoor record was 4.05 pace. This was not an easy effort for him, Grant was running today for a mile at his 5k record pace. Of course he can do that, but he was working hard.
that's hilarious, this was not hard for him. Dry those eyes, dear.
hope you're enjoying that ice cream and Gilmore Girls rerun tonight.
I think in some ways you are missing the point. Male performance in the mile and women’s is like two bell curves. The very high performance end of the male curve slightly exceeds the women’s. Most men, more the 99%, could never run the best time she did even before today. Likewise with all women’s records. High jump, long jump, etc. But clearly yes, there is a difference. The very best HS males can outrun the time today, and can break 4. Still, an excellent effort in a run I think Faith is not best suited for. I see her as a racer, not a time trial runner. It it were a championship race with others who could vie with her for the front, I think she has a few more seconds in her. But in a staged time race? Less her forte.
The attempt was predicated on a falsehood, that in sports women can do anything a man can do. With all the help in the world Kipyegon was never going to do what Bannister did on a sh*tty track over 70 years ago. The difference between men and women was made glaringly apparent by the tiny struggling figure of Kipyegon surrounded by the utterly casual ambling figures of her male "pacers" futilely urging her on. Let women's sport stand on its merits without seeking to put it on the same impossible level as male sports. But that isn't the politics of this era.
Agree the top tier of women's and men's sports need to be seen as just separate things. In comparing women to men, one is always saying a high school boy could beat a professional woman athlete cause women are weaker. But people never see it from the other side.
Let's say 2,000 men have a mile time of 4:07. And pump them with estrogen and lower their muscle mass and give them the exact same body composition as Faith. Make them carry and bear a baby and come back to their prime. How many could still run a 4:06 mile? I bet no one considering she's the best female 1500/miler ever. They'd need her talent, running form, her discipline, her relaxed emotional wellbeing and her tough mentality. She's one of one, not equal to 100 high school boys.
I think that Nike's main goal was simply marketing wise to break the 4 minute barrier and the hype surrounding it. Once the idea started to take form, they simply did whatever they could to optimise their chances. In the meantime, they had to put make up on and try to create a story in line with what we are constantly fed nowadays: elevate the female figure and sell them as equal as men.
And this is exactly what I find hard to follow. Why do you need to comply and do exactly the same as what they are constantly selling to you through social media? We all know men and women are not the same in sports, we know that her chances were only with men pacing her, we know that women can push themselves as much as men do. But we also know that they can't achieve the same results as men, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Just remove all the hard pushed story telling that you are only using to be more liked and followed by the rest of society.
I would just have an open category for a sport like distance running. The gap is not that big between men and women; the women's marathon world record is now 2h 09 min which would have made the US Olympic marathon team very recently. The open category would be advantageous to women in that they would have more depth of competition to improve their performances and it would also get rid of this trans issue in that everyone regardless of their gender or gender identity would be able to compete without any controversy as to which category they should be in.
For other sports where there is physical contact such as combat sports, I would keep the gender catgeries to protect the athletes. This makes logical sense in any case as combat sports have always had weight categories for this very reason.
Carl, Keely, and Dikjeet all said that elite women deserve male pacers. Do they not understand that Jacob needs a male pacer who can run 3:40 for the mile?
I thought wavelight basically removed the need for any pacers?
Agree the top tier of women's and men's sports need to be seen as just separate things. In comparing women to men, one is always saying a high school boy could beat a professional woman athlete cause women are weaker. But people never see it from the other side.
Let's say 2,000 men have a mile time of 4:07. And pump them with estrogen and lower their muscle mass and give them the exact same body composition as Faith. Make them carry and bear a baby and come back to their prime. How many could still run a 4:06 mile? I bet no one considering she's the best female 1500/miler ever. They'd need her talent, running form, her discipline, her relaxed emotional wellbeing and her tough mentality. She's one of one, not equal to 100 high school boys.
Shouldn't you be pumping them with EPO and steroids if we are talking about comparing them with elite athletes?
I would just have an open category for a sport like distance running. The gap is not that big between men and women; the women's marathon world record is now 2h 09 min which would have made the US Olympic marathon team very recently. The open category would be advantageous to women in that they would have more depth of competition to improve their performances and it would also get rid of this trans issue in that everyone regardless of their gender or gender identity would be able to compete without any controversy as to which category they should be in.
For other sports where there is physical contact such as combat sports, I would keep the gender catgeries to protect the athletes. This makes logical sense in any case as combat sports have always had weight categories for this very reason.
You can't actually believe that merging male and female categories would be beneficial to women.
I just love these sorts of posts whenever they pop up.
"First of all, let me say that I respec wamen and I think they are wonderful and I'm a born again feminist, yadayada."
It's bending the knee. Nothing else.
I'm not a feminist. Feminism is poison. I won't bend the knee.
A woman will not run sub4. Period.
That’s not what the OP said. They simply clarified their position that they weren’t critical of women’s running in general. Sadly it’s necessary due to the likelihood that someone will wilfully misinterpret the intent of a statement. Even more unfortunately, the likelihood is that someone else will misinterpret the clarification as an apology, and shoehorn an ideological opposition to a position that they imagined. As you have demonstrated.
Don’t make Faith the enemy. I believe that she believes she can do it. Not in a time trial, though. She knew it wasn’t going to happen and so did her coach.
If you watched the doc leading up to yesterday’s attempt, they explained the pacers and how even the women behind Faith played a role in creating/sealing the air pocket/vacuum in which Faith could run without resistance. I’m not sure how much impact it truly had, but it wasn’t purely for show.
In the end, what sullied this entire thing was the Today Show feel of the announcers and the pre-game discussion. I agree with the OP that women do not need the feel-good, kid-gloves BS. Faith is one of the best athletes to ever grace the planet. She’s a total badass. Treat her that way. Don’t make her a victim.