When was the last time Jakob lost a WC or OG final to someone with a PR within a full second of his? We haven’t seen Jakob not play pace setter since 2021. The state of the event cooks go either way for him IMO.
It's probably a slightly unpopular opinion on this board given the number of Jakob Stans here, but hear me out. From 2022-24, Jakob always lost in the world championship final. It goes without saying that he will never be the favourite in the WC/Olympic 1500m again, but he still has one thing that's head and shoulders above others - fast times in a TT setting.
However, with the sudden influx of sub 3:29 and even 2 new 3:28 runners, we can safely say, fast times are no longer Jakob's niche. Some people here say Jakob could've broken the WR in that race (there's even a thread on that, so that's not a straw man), because even the "B" runners are running 3:27 - I don't look at it that way. I think it proves that the level of competition has just improved and now we're getting back to the heyday of 90/early 00s across the board, be it 800/1500 or the 5k/10k. 5k/10k was in a pathetic state ever since Mo Farah had left the track, but somewhere around Covid, it has become great again with the likes of Cheptegei, while 800/1500 was still a sad state of affair. But progress has finally come along last year. Wanyonyi has been knocking the door of the WR, or even a sub 1:40, while his teammate Kockroachi Koech, just dropped a whooping 3:27 2 days ago at the tender age of 18. If this trend continues, he will be the first one to break 3:26,, and he may even get into 3:23-24. Actually the GOAT El g said he could've run 3:23-24, and I think we all can agree on that with the advent of wavelight and supershoes and Koech seems to be the one doing that unfinished business.
Now going back to Jakob, when the field was weak, he was arguably the best in the world, though given the 0:3 track record since 2022, even that is disputable, but now the time has come, we're living in the new era of 1500m running. There would be more 3:27 and 3:26 to come, and Koech may well get the WR under 3:25 in a few years just like what Kiptum did to the marathon. It's been a fun ride watching Jakob run, he's certainly great for the sport, but perhaps it's time for him to pass the torch to someone else. No shame in that, as that happens to every great runner and with his 1500m speed, he will still be competitive in the 5000m for a few years.
Koech is 1000% doping. Anyone denying that is a certified moron. Hope AIU does their work and takes that stain away from the sport.
They should get to work removing the Norwegian stain from the sport too
Are people forgetting that Jakob easily beat Habz at European indoors while leading 90% of the race? Habz had a great day in Paris, but I don’t think any of those guys are suddenly contenders for gold in Tokyo.
Are people forgetting that Jakob easily beat Habz at European indoors while leading 90% of the race? Habz had a great day in Paris, but I don’t think any of those guys are suddenly contenders for gold in Tokyo.
I guess Habz was a 3:27 guy and was 100% all in on Euro indoors months ago...
It's probably a slightly unpopular opinion on this board given the number of Jakob Stans here, but hear me out. From 2022-24, Jakob always lost in the world championship final. It goes without saying that he will never be the favourite in the WC/Olympic 1500m again, but he still has one thing that's head and shoulders above others - fast times in a TT setting.
However, with the sudden influx of sub 3:29 and even 2 new 3:28 runners, we can safely say, fast times are no longer Jakob's niche. Some people here say Jakob could've broken the WR in that race (there's even a thread on that, so that's not a straw man), because even the "B" runners are running 3:27 - I don't look at it that way. I think it proves that the level of competition has just improved and now we're getting back to the heyday of 90/early 00s across the board, be it 800/1500 or the 5k/10k. 5k/10k was in a pathetic state ever since Mo Farah had left the track, but somewhere around Covid, it has become great again with the likes of Cheptegei, while 800/1500 was still a sad state of affair. But progress has finally come along last year. Wanyonyi has been knocking the door of the WR, or even a sub 1:40, while his teammate Kockroachi Koech, just dropped a whooping 3:27 2 days ago at the tender age of 18. If this trend continues, he will be the first one to break 3:26,, and he may even get into 3:23-24. Actually the GOAT El g said he could've run 3:23-24, and I think we all can agree on that with the advent of wavelight and supershoes and Koech seems to be the one doing that unfinished business.
Now going back to Jakob, when the field was weak, he was arguably the best in the world, though given the 0:3 track record since 2022, even that is disputable, but now the time has come, we're living in the new era of 1500m running. There would be more 3:27 and 3:26 to come, and Koech may well get the WR under 3:25 in a few years just like what Kiptum did to the marathon. It's been a fun ride watching Jakob run, he's certainly great for the sport, but perhaps it's time for him to pass the torch to someone else. No shame in that, as that happens to every great runner and with his 1500m speed, he will still be competitive in the 5000m for a few years.
The field has never been weak. Jakob was not a 3:26 guy when he won his 2021 Olympic Gold. Times coming down across the board are also relative to Jakob's improvements too.
And if we take times out of it, where I think Jakob excels above everyone else, is his ability to always run his best race every time he steps on the track. Sometimes he doesn't win, but he still runs exceptionally. Only once he starts bombing big time in races, then maybe there is cause for concern.
In Lievin earlier this year, Habz had this own 1500m set up for him, running 3:32.29. Jakob ran 3:29.63 WR on his way to an indoor mile WR. Same track, same day.
It's probably a slightly unpopular opinion on this board given the number of Jakob Stans here, but hear me out. From 2022-24, Jakob always lost in the world championship final. It goes without saying that he will never be the favourite in the WC/Olympic 1500m again, but he still has one thing that's head and shoulders above others - fast times in a TT setting.
However, with the sudden influx of sub 3:29 and even 2 new 3:28 runners, we can safely say, fast times are no longer Jakob's niche. Some people here say Jakob could've broken the WR in that race (there's even a thread on that, so that's not a straw man), because even the "B" runners are running 3:27 - I don't look at it that way. I think it proves that the level of competition has just improved and now we're getting back to the heyday of 90/early 00s across the board, be it 800/1500 or the 5k/10k. 5k/10k was in a pathetic state ever since Mo Farah had left the track, but somewhere around Covid, it has become great again with the likes of Cheptegei, while 800/1500 was still a sad state of affair. But progress has finally come along last year. Wanyonyi has been knocking the door of the WR, or even a sub 1:40, while his teammate Kockroachi Koech, just dropped a whooping 3:27 2 days ago at the tender age of 18. If this trend continues, he will be the first one to break 3:26,, and he may even get into 3:23-24. Actually the GOAT El g said he could've run 3:23-24, and I think we all can agree on that with the advent of wavelight and supershoes and Koech seems to be the one doing that unfinished business.
Now going back to Jakob, when the field was weak, he was arguably the best in the world, though given the 0:3 track record since 2022, even that is disputable, but now the time has come, we're living in the new era of 1500m running. There would be more 3:27 and 3:26 to come, and Koech may well get the WR under 3:25 in a few years just like what Kiptum did to the marathon. It's been a fun ride watching Jakob run, he's certainly great for the sport, but perhaps it's time for him to pass the torch to someone else. No shame in that, as that happens to every great runner and with his 1500m speed, he will still be competitive in the 5000m for a few years.
The field has never been weak. Jakob was not a 3:26 guy when he won his 2021 Olympic Gold. Times coming down across the board are also relative to Jakob's improvements too.
And if we take times out of it, where I think Jakob excels above everyone else, is his ability to always run his best race every time he steps on the track. Sometimes he doesn't win, but he still runs exceptionally. Only once he starts bombing big time in races, then maybe there is cause for concern.
Yes, I think tthat is a big point sledge hammer is missing. He thinks Jakob was in 3:26 shape in Eugene and Budapest when he wasn't.
It's probably a slightly unpopular opinion on this board given the number of Jakob Stans here, but hear me out. From 2022-24, Jakob always lost in the world championship final. It goes without saying that he will never be the favourite in the WC/Olympic 1500m again, but he still has one thing that's head and shoulders above others - fast times in a TT setting.
However, with the sudden influx of sub 3:29 and even 2 new 3:28 runners, we can safely say, fast times are no longer Jakob's niche. Some people here say Jakob could've broken the WR in that race (there's even a thread on that, so that's not a straw man), because even the "B" runners are running 3:27 - I don't look at it that way. I think it proves that the level of competition has just improved and now we're getting back to the heyday of 90/early 00s across the board, be it 800/1500 or the 5k/10k. 5k/10k was in a pathetic state ever since Mo Farah had left the track, but somewhere around Covid, it has become great again with the likes of Cheptegei, while 800/1500 was still a sad state of affair. But progress has finally come along last year. Wanyonyi has been knocking the door of the WR, or even a sub 1:40, while his teammate Kockroachi Koech, just dropped a whooping 3:27 2 days ago at the tender age of 18. If this trend continues, he will be the first one to break 3:26,, and he may even get into 3:23-24. Actually the GOAT El g said he could've run 3:23-24, and I think we all can agree on that with the advent of wavelight and supershoes and Koech seems to be the one doing that unfinished business.
Now going back to Jakob, when the field was weak, he was arguably the best in the world, though given the 0:3 track record since 2022, even that is disputable, but now the time has come, we're living in the new era of 1500m running. There would be more 3:27 and 3:26 to come, and Koech may well get the WR under 3:25 in a few years just like what Kiptum did to the marathon. It's been a fun ride watching Jakob run, he's certainly great for the sport, but perhaps it's time for him to pass the torch to someone else. No shame in that, as that happens to every great runner and with his 1500m speed, he will still be competitive in the 5000m for a few years.
I think Jakob is the 1500m favorite. He might "only" have 30% chance of winning the race this WC but I wouldn't give any other single contender better odds than him.
What kind of probability distribution you think is most likely? Do you think that for example Kerr has a better chance?
I do agree that Jakobs 1500m era might be over and there are new top dogs shaping up. But the real test will be running the rounds at WC which definitely differs from running once in a well paced scenario. Jakob is the best proof of that.
We are entering exciting times when it takes sub 3:30 ability to even make a major final.
It's probably a slightly unpopular opinion on this board given the number of Jakob Stans here, but hear me out. From 2022-24, Jakob always lost in the world championship final. It goes without saying that he will never be the favourite in the WC/Olympic 1500m again, but he still has one thing that's head and shoulders above others - fast times in a TT setting.
However, with the sudden influx of sub 3:29 and even 2 new 3:28 runners, we can safely say, fast times are no longer Jakob's niche. Some people here say Jakob could've broken the WR in that race (there's even a thread on that, so that's not a straw man), because even the "B" runners are running 3:27 - I don't look at it that way. I think it proves that the level of competition has just improved and now we're getting back to the heyday of 90/early 00s across the board, be it 800/1500 or the 5k/10k. 5k/10k was in a pathetic state ever since Mo Farah had left the track, but somewhere around Covid, it has become great again with the likes of Cheptegei, while 800/1500 was still a sad state of affair.
You mean the Africans have started going full-throttle with EPO again, or whatever new undetectable drug is out now?
It's probably a slightly unpopular opinion on this board given the number of Jakob Stans here, but hear me out. From 2022-24, Jakob always lost in the world championship final. It goes without saying that he will never be the favourite in the WC/Olympic 1500m again, but he still has one thing that's head and shoulders above others - fast times in a TT setting.
However, with the sudden influx of sub 3:29 and even 2 new 3:28 runners, we can safely say, fast times are no longer Jakob's niche. Some people here say Jakob could've broken the WR in that race (there's even a thread on that, so that's not a straw man), because even the "B" runners are running 3:27 - I don't look at it that way. I think it proves that the level of competition has just improved and now we're getting back to the heyday of 90/early 00s across the board, be it 800/1500 or the 5k/10k. 5k/10k was in a pathetic state ever since Mo Farah had left the track, but somewhere around Covid, it has become great again with the likes of Cheptegei, while 800/1500 was still a sad state of affair.
You mean the Africans have started going full-throttle with EPO again, or whatever new undetectable drug is out now?
Doping is something unheard in Europe, correct? And also in the US...
Are people forgetting that Jakob easily beat Habz at European indoors while leading 90% of the race? Habz had a great day in Paris, but I don’t think any of those guys are suddenly contenders for gold in Tokyo.
I guess Habz was a 3:27 guy and was 100% all in on Euro indoors months ago...
But you possibly assume that Jakob was on his season peak in the Euros indoor?
Irrelevant to the discussion. Jakob has company in 3:27 races, that’s the takeaway. I don’t think he’s finished, but the days of pacing the field in an all-out race are over. Everyone’s too good as Paris showed. He needs to run more like in 2022 with more of a controlled squeeze, where he makes everyone go wide and fight each other to be on his shoulder.
Shortening the race is not a good strategy for Ingebrigtsen. His best chance of winning is if someone else takes it out at 3:30 pace. The lack of such a pace setter is why he tried to burn off the field in Paris.
I’ve been following distance running for a long time and I’ve heard of a “controlled squeeze”.
People like that who start at a very young age are already pretty beat up by the time they hit mid 20s and start losing to fresher athletes.
There’s no cumulative burn out effect from an early start. The risk is the possibility of an increased vulnerability of injuries.
What do you think “beat up” means? You get on a cycle of one injury to the next and it starts to compromise performance. He has crazy mileage on his body for someone that young.