I don’t consume information from companies that have been forced to pay 12-figure settlements for bold-faced lying to the American public.
Yeah, I prefer NPR to get unbiased information about real issues affecting the average American, like the impact of abortion restrictions on pregnant men!
It sounds like you are super familiar with NPR and their offerings - thanks for your insight. There aren't any ridiculous articles out there on Fox, right?
Kendra Wilkinson reveals her biggest regret from her time living at the Playboy Mansion. The model-turned-real estate agent explained how she missed out on major career opportunities.
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I can't blame him for seeking sick trails with no hikers. You know how hard that is to get this time of year?
Agreed. Risking prison to avoid where mountain bikers are might just be worth it. They have completely ruined Park City. Another runner was hit Saturday.
He's not in trouble for innocently running on a trail. He's in trouble for taking a 1/2 mile shortcut thru a marked closed area so he could avoid some switchbacks and for bringing a film crew after being denied a filming permit. And they're not going to put him in jail. He'll probably get a fine and be banned from the park for blatantly ignoring park rules.
He's not a hero, he's a cheater for trying to claim a FKT for a course that he cut short.
The switchback he cut was an accepted deviation agreed upon by the small niche of former FKT holders and locals in the area. There is a detailed interview he gave on the Freetrail podcast back in January that gets into the details of all of this. But I have a feeling this thread is more about “my opinion vs your opinion” than actually learning the truth.
Cutting a switchback should equal not fkt eligible because you didn't run the whole trail.
The switchback he cut was an accepted deviation agreed upon by the small niche of former FKT holders and locals in the area. There is a detailed interview he gave on the Freetrail podcast back in January that gets into the details of all of this. But I have a feeling this thread is more about “my opinion vs your opinion” than actually learning the truth.
Cutting a switchback should equal not fkt eligible because you didn't run the whole trail.
Your comment demonstrates that you don’t understand what happened. He used a climber trail that was an accepted alternative and not shown to be faster. Listen to the interview if you actually care.
I am a daily NPR listener, but here is an interesting NPR story that won a hubris award from me...
At some point around the time when SCOTUS overturned Roe in 2022, they followed a very pointed Ivermectin story with a story about an abortion doctor who was providing pregnant women with information about some drug that they could get at a veterinary supply store to terminate their pregnancy. Of course, the "patients" in the first story were idiots (in truth, they were), but the "patients" in the second story were enterprising heroes.
Take nothing from this except that it made me shake my head and sigh in the car.
Cutting a switchback should equal not fkt eligible because you didn't run the whole trail.
Your comment demonstrates that you don’t understand what happened. He used a climber trail that was an accepted alternative and not shown to be faster. Listen to the interview if you actually care.
Lots of thoughts.
What was the cost to the taxpayers and to the defendant for all of this? I don't care that it is "agreed upon" by some group of trailrunners, cutting switchbacks is a bad thing to do for the trail system and forest. Screw "record attempts".
Seems like a fine would have settled this matter easily and far less costly for everyone.
Your comment demonstrates that you don’t understand what happened. He used a climber trail that was an accepted alternative and not shown to be faster. Listen to the interview if you actually care.
Lots of thoughts.
What was the cost to the taxpayers and to the defendant for all of this? I don't care that it is "agreed upon" by some group of trailrunners, cutting switchbacks is a bad thing to do for the trail system and forest. Screw "record attempts".
Seems like a fine would have settled this matter easily and far less costly for everyone.
If you have “lots of thoughts” you should listen to the interview so you can understand. He didn’t just cut a random switchback and run through a meadow covered in rare flowers, he went down an established climber's trail that has been there for decades and is used by park employees and guides constantly. This is the problem with getting bits of news online, very few people actually care enough to learn the truth, instead they just form an opinion from half-assed information.
As a scientist, my take (admittedly without knowing specifics of this location) is that not cutting switchbacks is more of an aesthetic rule than true environmental protection.
You are incorrect sir. Cutting switchbacks once might not harm anything, but when people do this repeatedly in heavily trafficked areas it destroys the trails.
As a scientist, my take (admittedly without knowing specifics of this location) is that not cutting switchbacks is more of an aesthetic rule than true environmental protection.
You are incorrect sir. Cutting switchbacks once might not harm anything, but when people do this repeatedly in heavily trafficked areas it destroys the trails.
I'd bet a lot of money that that climbers' trail/switchback cut existed before the switchback trail. That's how it is everywhere there are mountains (including the mountains I live by in Alaska). Mountains are climbed/hiked before places become parks and management starts, and they tend to be more straight. Park managers are the ones that like switchbacks to reduce the grade.
When I see this happen on my local mountains the new switch back trail is actually the one that is newly destroying lots of vegetation. It's an aesthetic and grade reducing choice. Then they try to block off the original old trails with varying success.
I think it's been reported that there is nothing growing on that switchback—it is a climbers' trail that people including some of those arguing for persecution (read previously linked articles) have used themselves.
-I don't know if any of you have actually been to said switchback cut, but it is very clearly and obviously marked as being closed to public use. And of course nothing has grown back on it when folks going for fast times like Sunseri and lazy people trying to climb the Grand keep using the cutoff. The point of adding in switchbacks like that is long-term erosion control. Sure it harms a bit more vegetation in the moment to build a new trail, but the idea is people stop using the old trail, plants grow back over it and stop the erosion, and the new trail is better for the environment. Really not that complicated.
-Maybe there's a small band of friends around Sunseri who had agreed that the cutoff was ok, but this was by no means a community consensus the way he portrays it. Even in the FKT community, the majority of people are upset with what Sunseri did. FKT rules say that you go by the current record holders' precedent or do it even better. The current record is held by Andy Anderson, who did not cut the switchbacks. He beat Killian Jornet's time, who did cut the switchbacks. I know Anderson had told Sunseri that he didn't care either way whether or not Sunseri cut the switchbacks, but that does not preempt the rules of Grand Teton, especially with the existing record already being with the switchbacks.
-And then there's Sunseri's choice to go for this record on Labor Day weekend, which meant that the trail was super congested and led to his in-the-moment decision to cut the switchbacks on the way down.
- A lot of people in the area are upset with him because, prior to this, everyone going for fast times on the Grand Teton would stay on the switchbacks on the lower, officially maintained trail but cut the switchbacks on the unofficial climber's trail higher up the mountain. This was the policy that Grand Teton was unofficially ok with. By cutting the lower switchbacks, Sunseri forced the park service's hand where now they've said that absolutely no switchbacks can be cut, even the upper climber's trail ones.
-Sunseri seems like a really nice guy from everything I've heard about him, but I think he put a ton of himself into getting this record and got over-invested. That being said, at the end of the day I think it's ridiculous how much of a fiasco this has turned into. The park service should have just accepted Sunseri's offer to do volunteer trail work and the FKT not been accepted instead of turning it into this ridiculous circus. Thanks for coming to my TED talk!
I can't blame him for seeking sick trails with no hikers. You know how hard that is to get this time of year?
I totally agree.
I think this is all bogus. It's not like getting was trespassing on Indian land or something serious like that. That would have warranted some big federal charges
