i should scare quote "varsity race" because the runnersup would barely get points on JV here. you know what's an actual travesty? 4 people in the whole event. the last 3 of whom can't break 65. which is why gallagher is winning "by 7 seconds."
you're implying the margin is about gallagher, but they wouldn't win a lot of girls meets around the area here. the margin is about the competition level.
The homelessness issue is getting better and the weather is just fine, bro. Spring is coming and it's going to be an amazing outdoor T&F season.
What I will say is that the vast majority of Portlanders that I talk to don't agree with having boys competing in girls sports. It's a sham and one only the state athletic association can fix.
Agreed! I'm in many ways a typical liberal Portlander, and am totally against boys competing in girls events. Like most people, I think it's a no-brainer. All the people I know, which outside of my family is basically other left-leaning runners, feel the same way. Not really sure who the people are who champion the boys masquerading as girls are. And I really don't care to be "approved of" by the right-wingers, and am well aware that that is something that will never happen, but still, let the record show: most hardcore liberal Portlanders, as far as I can tell, don't support this type of thing.
From what I can tell, while small numbers of actual athletes are okay with boys competing as girls (though tellingly, usually athletes whose own sport/league is not under threat of trans incursion), it's mostly non-athletes who have otherwise accepted the standard progressive line of "trans women are women," etc. and don't think any further than that. "They're female in my mind, so they can do female sports." I saw a video once where a D1 women's basketball player spoke the obvious logic, of "I'm a high level female athlete but I can't compete with men when they're taller, stronger, and faster than me by nature" and a fat, dumpy, short- and green-haired progressive activist with multiple facial piercings countered, "have you tried just, like, being more confident?" So it's largely people with knowledge and experience in sports saying that men and women are separated in sports for a good reason, vs. non-athletes who have accepted "trans women are women" as a rock-solid truth arguing otherwise. Hard to tell how many of the latter really, honestly believe there's no difference between the sexes, and how many feel stuck believing it because they are on Team Progressive and have to uphold the current progressive orthodoxy, no questions asked. The generally non-logical nature of the progressive view is obvious when you also see that they want nonbinary categories at marathons, when "nonbinary gender identity" doesn't speak to the physical distinctions between men and women that demand separation in the first place. They're not really thinking things through and coming to a clear conclusion that is logically consistent in all its parts.
Agreed! I'm in many ways a typical liberal Portlander, and am totally against boys competing in girls events. Like most people, I think it's a no-brainer. All the people I know, which outside of my family is basically other left-leaning runners, feel the same way. Not really sure who the people are who champion the boys masquerading as girls are. And I really don't care to be "approved of" by the right-wingers, and am well aware that that is something that will never happen, but still, let the record show: most hardcore liberal Portlanders, as far as I can tell, don't support this type of thing.
From what I can tell, while small numbers of actual athletes are okay with boys competing as girls (though tellingly, usually athletes whose own sport/league is not under threat of trans incursion), it's mostly non-athletes who have otherwise accepted the standard progressive line of "trans women are women," etc. and don't think any further than that. "They're female in my mind, so they can do female sports." I saw a video once where a D1 women's basketball player spoke the obvious logic, of "I'm a high level female athlete but I can't compete with men when they're taller, stronger, and faster than me by nature" and a fat, dumpy, short- and green-haired progressive activist with multiple facial piercings countered, "have you tried just, like, being more confident?" So it's largely people with knowledge and experience in sports saying that men and women are separated in sports for a good reason, vs. non-athletes who have accepted "trans women are women" as a rock-solid truth arguing otherwise. Hard to tell how many of the latter really, honestly believe there's no difference between the sexes, and how many feel stuck believing it because they are on Team Progressive and have to uphold the current progressive orthodoxy, no questions asked. The generally non-logical nature of the progressive view is obvious when you also see that they want nonbinary categories at marathons, when "nonbinary gender identity" doesn't speak to the physical distinctions between men and women that demand separation in the first place. They're not really thinking things through and coming to a clear conclusion that is logically consistent in all its parts.
no, my experience the ones really pushing this are a bunch of tourists. runners concern themselves with PRs. this is not this runner's PR. the race was not particularly close and probably not memorable. season opening triangular. but the tweeter is all pushing how this is some "season record" for victory margin. it's meet 1 of the year. every first meet race could be called a SB. no one does that. no one keeps track of their margins of victory and calls one a season record. in part because as i explained that probably says more about the rest of the crew showing up.
that, and like i said, OR appears to be a little slow for track, and this person would barely score varsity points here.
nope, tourists.
to be fair, i think there is a split among athletes on this. some are fine, some are not, and the state decides.
i'd think if there was violent upset about this kids would boycott and there'd be no one racing. when i have heard of kids DNSing symbolically on such things, it's never been more than 20% of the field. which hints at the athlete response. most actual athletes are either fine with it or not going to bother making a fuss.
you can now make some poll driven point how x% of the public don't like it, but that actually proves the opposite of your argument -- that it's the tourists who aren't happy.
What is your very specific change to the rules ? Osaa tend to work most things into the 2-4 year cycle, so this most likely won't affect the athletes competing this year or the next, are you ok with that ?
How fast did ada run? im guessing about 52 seconds ?
57. do a little research. because once you find 57 and see the margin you figure out oh, the back end of this heat isn't very good at all. would be mediocre JV where i live. the implication of the post is the margin is about the "boy." but they wouldn't win meets here.
this is tourist posting intended for tourist reading.
dude, if the "vast majority" of OR believed this, and the stink at state was indicative of it, this would be over already. what instead happened on planet earth is a coach encouraging the stink got fired and the trans kid is still running. that hints at a more complicated reception.
Because I really, really care about things like air & water pollution, school funding, forestry issues, women's rights, rule of law, civil rights, and public health. Since the right wing in Washington, Oregon, and around the USA is wrong on those issues, I vote against them.
I hate the idiotic stance the Dems have taken regarding boys in girls' sports, but that is not the only issue that I care about.
the idea that OR is secretly conservative and hates this is basically pushing politics in the guise of talking sports. OR's current governor is a progressive lesbian. OR didn't trip into this situation, it made a considered situation. there is thus no "vast majority" against these things.
what there is, is a thin progressive majority that you're trying to flip using this politics as leverage.
a sincere OR girls sports discussion would be something closer to what's up with brahe-pedersen, who is running a second off her HS times for USC, would have throttled gallagher head to head, and doesn't need patronizing "protection."
From what I can tell, while small numbers of actual athletes are okay with boys competing as girls (though tellingly, usually athletes whose own sport/league is not under threat of trans incursion), it's mostly non-athletes who have otherwise accepted the standard progressive line of "trans women are women," etc. and don't think any further than that. "They're female in my mind, so they can do female sports." I saw a video once where a D1 women's basketball player spoke the obvious logic, of "I'm a high level female athlete but I can't compete with men when they're taller, stronger, and faster than me by nature" and a fat, dumpy, short- and green-haired progressive activist with multiple facial piercings countered, "have you tried just, like, being more confident?" So it's largely people with knowledge and experience in sports saying that men and women are separated in sports for a good reason, vs. non-athletes who have accepted "trans women are women" as a rock-solid truth arguing otherwise. Hard to tell how many of the latter really, honestly believe there's no difference between the sexes, and how many feel stuck believing it because they are on Team Progressive and have to uphold the current progressive orthodoxy, no questions asked. The generally non-logical nature of the progressive view is obvious when you also see that they want nonbinary categories at marathons, when "nonbinary gender identity" doesn't speak to the physical distinctions between men and women that demand separation in the first place. They're not really thinking things through and coming to a clear conclusion that is logically consistent in all its parts.
no, my experience the ones really pushing this are a bunch of tourists. runners concern themselves with PRs. this is not this runner's PR. the race was not particularly close and probably not memorable. season opening triangular. but the tweeter is all pushing how this is some "season record" for victory margin. it's meet 1 of the year. every first meet race could be called a SB. no one does that. no one keeps track of their margins of victory and calls one a season record. in part because as i explained that probably says more about the rest of the crew showing up.
that, and like i said, OR appears to be a little slow for track, and this person would barely score varsity points here.
nope, tourists.
to be fair, i think there is a split among athletes on this. some are fine, some are not, and the state decides.
i'd think if there was violent upset about this kids would boycott and there'd be no one racing. when i have heard of kids DNSing symbolically on such things, it's never been more than 20% of the field. which hints at the athlete response. most actual athletes are either fine with it or not going to bother making a fuss.
you can now make some poll driven point how x% of the public don't like it, but that actually proves the opposite of your argument -- that it's the tourists who aren't happy.
I mean, you aren't wrong in saying that this is a rinky-dink meet where a huge margin of victory was likely for the boy running in it, and that some people who don't really know the sport are likely to see the margin and get outraged without realizing how untalented the boy really is. That's a fair point. But you're wrong everywhere else. Boys don't belong in girls' sports, period. You're especially wrong about this fantasy that gets kicked around all the time, that girls would boycott their sports if they "really" cared about the issue. This ignores two very important truths: (1) high school girls don't get their opportunities back if they don't run this season, this meet, whatever. (2) They will bring down the wrath of unthinking trans supporters if they boycott, which isn't nothing, especially for a teenager. I personally think (1) motivates these girls more than (2), but it might not be the case for every girl. For the last time, it should NOT be incumbent on girl athletes to give up their limited opportunities to compete in high school sports in order to solve this issue. It should be incumbent on the adults, the coaches and administrators and rulemakers who can practice their role in the sport for life, to solve it. Trying to put the onus on teen girls is a rhetorical trick to try and make the smallest voices in the issue have to be the loudest, and it should be shot down wherever you or anyone else tries to pull the trick.
How fast did ada run? im guessing about 52 seconds ?
57. do a little research. because once you find 57 and see the margin you figure out oh, the back end of this heat isn't very good at all. would be mediocre JV where i live. the implication of the post is the margin is about the "boy." but they wouldn't win meets here.
this is tourist posting intended for tourist reading.
Why are you always so dumb in every post you make?
This isn't about how fast he is as a boy. 57 is a state-winning time for girls. And the girl who took second in this race ran a good time at this point in the year. It would have been a normal race without the loser dude ruining it for the girls. He didn't win by a lot because it was a slow race. He won because he's a man and they're typically 10 seconds faster than girls at this age in the 400m
First off, the OSAA sets the competition and eligibility rules. They are not a government agency and they operate much like the NCAA. The legislature only gets involved if OSAA policy violates the Oregon constitution.
Oregon politics are strange. We used to routinely elect centrist and libertarian leaning Republicans to both state and national office. The problem is that the state GOP has been taken over by crazy people. 100% certifiable nutcases. Not fiscal conservatives that talk about religion a bit too much or the small government/leave people alone Republican, but the full blown frightening theocratic gun nuts that want to ban reproductive care of any kind, create a white utopia, return to the 1880s cowboy fantasist kind. The ones that think EVERYTHING is a conspiracy or an indoctrination and are even too extreme for MAGA. Our US senators run virtually unopposed because the GOP nominee is a GED holding trad wife that believes aliens speak to her in dreams or a life insurance salesman that has run, and lost, all 15 elections that he’s ever entered.
So, the mostly center-left populace along the I-5 corridor between Eugene and Portland vote for the status quo Dem that speaks in complete sentences and attended college. One party rule kind of sucks but there is no real alternative and we don’t feel safe giving power to Madame Moonbeam and her plan, provided by the grey aliens of Zeta Reticuli, to turn our public schools into academies for the psychic arts and spirit communications.
Back to the original topic, no one likes this situation and ugly things happened at the state meet last year. The vast majority of all Oregonians find this unfair and OSAA sees no reason to change things. Inaction is their plan.
It's not "kind" to all of the girls who have to race this boy. Putting one boys feelings ahead of all of the girls is the definition of misogyny. It is a travesty and if he gets booed that is what it is.