Your analogy is completely incorrect. Athletes who aren't diabetic take insulin to improve recovery. I have no idea about hyperthyroidism, but insulin is used as a PED.
Your analogy is completely incorrect. Athletes who aren't diabetic take insulin to improve recovery. I have no idea about hyperthyroidism, but insulin is used as a PED.
noname wrote:
treament for hypothyroidism will not help you if you are not hypothyroid, it will in fact harm you.
think of it like diabetes...if your body does not produce enough insulin, you need to take it.
if your body produces enough insulin and you take it, it will be detrimental to your health.
if you are not hypothyroid and you take thyroid meds, you will end up hypErthyoid which means you will probably be walking around with a resting HR of 100+. sound like a performance enhancing drug now?
Much like Magness what are you doing injecting common sense, logic, or any kind of medical facts into this debate? Let's leave this thread for the pathetic whiners that love to rip on Rupp for anything. Most of the people I know are good people that don't wish harm to others or rip people for little to no reason. Unfortunately this board has a lot of posters that take the opposite approach.
Silverback wrote:
Your analogy is completely incorrect. Athletes who aren't diabetic take insulin to improve recovery. I have no idea about hyperthyroidism, but insulin is used as a PED.
my point is that if you take thyroid hormones to recover and you don't need them, then you are going to completely jack yourself up! you won't be able to walk around the block without stopping to take a breath cause your HR will be too high.
Intersting, 2 guys in one group with thyroid issues training under a guy with the "drug cloud" circling about his head.
A bit like the 2 sprinters in the same training group who needed modafinil for narcolepsy.
Interesting indeed.
noname wrote:
my point is that if you take thyroid hormones to recover and you don't need them, then you are going to completely jack yourself up! you won't be able to walk around the block without stopping to take a breath cause your HR will be too high.
I understand your point, I don't think that Rupp would broadcast his hyperthyroidism if this was some AlSal/Oregon/KarlRove/CIA plot to sneak PED's into his system. I'm just pointing out to you that insulin is one of the most common PED's out there and you didn't even know that. Why in the world should we then listen to you about any PED qualities or masking abilities of hyperthyroid medication?
this is comical to read! you guys know NOTHING about thyroids, thyroid hormone, or anything remotely close to anything involved with hypothyroidism. before you make these "coverup" or "spylike" scearios about how he's taking this as a performance enhancer, why don't you educate yourself a little bit? google is free. you have no idea how ridiculously stupid you sound. thanks for the laugh today.
i don't profess to know anything about PEDs but i know the side effects of having too much circulating thyroid horemone. but, you obviously can't see the difference.
Your point is well taken. But using Barry Bonds as an example, it is alleged that he used a number of different steriods which would seem to be deterimental to your health, but at the same time apparently gave him a boost - he allegedly took estorgen for one reason or another. Or what about cyclists who take EPO and to avoid dying in their sleep because their bloods thickens so much while resting, they just get up in the middle of the night and do a few excercises to move the blood and then back to sleep. Again, deterimental to ones health, but tweek it a little and you get the benefits with a smaller health risk.
While I can on one hand agree with your statement, on the other hand, the fact that this, along with his excercise-induced asthma, are taken together, well, I see where the cynics can cause one to wonder.
I'm not saying the condition is not serious, it just seems to me that similiar to the sprinters and narcolepsy issue of a couple of years ago, I have a hard time appreciating that such talented individuals have such a myriad of health problems.
M00Cher wrote:
Intersting, 2 guys in one group with thyroid issues training under a guy with the "drug cloud" circling about his head.
A bit like the 2 sprinters in the same training group who needed modafinil for narcolepsy.
Interesting indeed.
Sounds a bit like jealousy here to me. Some pretty spineless and substance-light accusations. Goucher has done nothing more than he indicated he could do his senior year in high school and his freshman year of college with reasonable progression. And if your suggesting that he slipped epo in Rupp's cheerios throughout high school....you may want better evaluate your self confidence.
All I'm saying is that you don't have a clue about the world of PEDs and you shouldn't discount thyroid medication's use as a PED by blathering about it's over-dose effects and the similarities to insulin. Maybe you should have googled it and seen that the typical thyroid medication is on the WADA-approved list?
I know it's useless but....
taking synthetic thyroid when you don't have the disease can do a lot of harm. Like another poster said, taking synthetic thyroid when you are hypothyroid can only take you back to "normal". It's not like the insulin analogy where taking more insulin can improve recovery. Taking more thyroid won't do that. You can go search the medical journals for info on what happens when someone takes too much synthetic thyroid. The effects wouldn't be too beneficial to running to say the least...
As an above poster said, that's the pain about the thyroid. You have to constantly change your dosage. I get tested about every 6 weeks to make sure my dosage is allright, and more often than not, their is a slight change in my dosage schedule.
noname-
Next time I go in for an appointment, I'll ask my doctor some of the questions you posted. I'm pretty sure there are differences in how you treat it for a hard training athlete and a normal person. For example, last time I went in, the doctor slightly changed my dosage even though all of the blood work came back within what is suggested as the normal guidelines. He said that, a normal person would be fine with those results, but since I'm an athlete, we've got to fine tune it a little more and be more precise on a couple of markers than the normal person.
Basically, the suggested norms are "too broad" for an athlete. I'll ask him specifics next time and post it on the thread.
You may want better evaluate your use of "English"
Raubrey wrote:
M00Cher wrote:Intersting, 2 guys in one group with thyroid issues training under a guy with the "drug cloud" circling about his head.
A bit like the 2 sprinters in the same training group who needed modafinil for narcolepsy.
Interesting indeed.
Sounds a bit like jealousy here to me. Some pretty spineless and substance-light accusations. Goucher has done nothing more than he indicated he could do his senior year in high school and his freshman year of college with reasonable progression. And if your suggesting that he slipped epo in Rupp's cheerios throughout high school....you may want better evaluate your self confidence.
I don't know if anyone has really said this, but I want to look at something. Salazar got burnt out training too hard, had a lot of physiological problems, I don't know if they were thyroid related but maybe. Anyways, it is my understanding that either overtraining can lead to symptoms similar to hypothyroidism, or even cause it.
"It is also established that excessive exercise stress can cause imbalanced central nervous system control of certain physiological processes reflected in hypothyroidism, hypothalamic-rtuitary dysfunction and deranged immunity14-1."
From psychological and immunological correlates of acute
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overtraining
R. W. Fry*t PhO, J. R. Grove t PhO, A. R. Morton t EdD, P. M. eronit BSc(Hons),
S. Gaudieri* BSc(Hons) and David Keast* PhD
*Department of Microbiology, The QEII Medical Centre, Nedlands, Western Australia; and tDepartment of
Human Movement, The University of Western Australia, Perth, Western Australia
[quote]M00Cher wrote:
You may want better evaluate your use of "English"
I love that one. The classic letsrun rebuttle. As if I cared about my grammar or punctuation on a forum. When will you people get it, we don't have time to proof read / reread jarble written on a forum. It's just thoughts put down, with a few little grammar police cherry pickers out there waiting to pounce on every oppurtunity to boost their sense of worth. Well go ahead little pouncer, pounce. I hope I had at least one miszspeeeling to give you hope.
Are you still looking in windows, Rob?
He now needs some Brooks T4.
If you are who i believe you are, Mtn Charlies sucked, black watch was worth our time.
thyroxine wrote:
He now needs some >> T4 << .
Wanted to point out for those who think overtraining could have caused the thyoid problem. Most studies on overtraining clearly show no change in TSH, T3, or T4 from a non overtrained state to an overtrained state. Those indicators are what they use to diagnos hypothyroidism. So if they were low, it most likely wasn't caused by overtraining, but a genetic thing.