Doping is the arm of looser.
All these anonymous posters crying about drugs.
The one that said that Aouita stopped after Benjohson affaire, do you forget that Aouita beat a 11 year old record (3000m) in 1989?
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L'Berber wrote:
He did not drop down from the 5000 to the 800. He was always primarily an 800/1500 runner. He ran the 5000 in LA because it was ridiculously weak compared to the prospect of facing a fit and healthy Coe, Cram, Ovett, Scott, Abascal, Gomez etc at 1500
In 1988 he devoted himself to the 800 and even his 1500 speed clearly diminished.
In 1980, had Ovett chosen to double the 800 and 5000, he would have won the silver in the 5000 along with the gold in the 800. That's range.
Cooooevett - Cooooevett - Cooooevett
5000 in LA 84 was not weak at all.
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If Aouita had one year less in his life, he would run at least 1:42 in the 800m.
He had such an ambition.
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L'innoculateur wrote:
If Aouita had one year less in his life, he would run at least 1:42 in the 800m.
He had such an ambition.
In Seoul he was capable to run sub 1:43.
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E_Smith wrote:
Aouita's record as a coach as listed in the front article seems pretty suspicious. Not only does it claim he coached Khannouchi to a WR which I don't think anyone believes, it claims he coached Boutayeb in 1988-- which would mean he was coaching this guy to a 10K gold while he himself was training and racing at 800 meters all summer and in the olympics. Was he self-coached? Maybe he coached himself and boutayeb and trained together? I remember the rumor was that these two guys hated each other and didn't train together at all because Aouita was so secretive about what he did. I then states he coached Skah in 92, and Hicham El Guerrouj... I thought El Guerrouj was coached by his brother or something? I think this may be a case where the Moroccan "National team coach" is getting credit for whatever the best runners from morroco do. But even then I don't see how he gets credit for Khannouchi's WR. Does anyone else have information?
The coach of El G actually called Aouita out on this, when Aouita put it on his resume in his application for the Australian job.
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L'Berber wrote:
He did not drop down from the 5000 to the 800. He was always primarily an 800/1500 runner. He ran the 5000 in LA because it was ridiculously weak compared to the prospect of facing a fit and healthy Coe, Cram, Ovett, Scott, Abascal, Gomez etc at 1500
In 1988 he devoted himself to the 800 and even his 1500 speed clearly diminished.
In 1980, had Ovett chosen to double the 800 and 5000, he would have won the silver in the 5000 along with the gold in the 800. That's range.
First, 800m to 5000m is as rare as 400m to 800m. Roughly a 15% pace difference from 400m to 800m and roughly a 15% pace difference from 800m to 5000m.
It doesn't matter that S. Ovett won a Commonwealth 5000m gold, Ovett was not good enough at 5000m to earn a 5000m medal at Olympics or World Championship. Ovett would have finished 5th or 6th, 1980 Olympics 5000m.
No Kenyans, 1980 Olympics. Even if a Kenyan doesn't earn 800m gold, Kenyans affect all 800m championship races. Kenyans today are as likely to race negative splits, 800m as front run. For sure, 1980 Kenyans were 800m front runners. Eight-hundred meters without Kenyans is not a real 800m race. Stop it with this great Steve Ovett stuff. He lost to Jurgen Straub.
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The 5000m was a second tier event in those days
Overt Coe did the business where it mattered and were world beaters
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Aouita avoided the blue riband 1500 as said
There was no Kenyans beating Coe or cram and their peak and you could take 3 seconds off their 329 times easily if they were competing now
Cram was also capable of much faster than he ran
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Edit Ovett^^ was capable of faster
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L\'Berber wrote:
E_Smith wrote:
Aouita's record as a coach as listed in the front article seems pretty suspicious. Not only does it claim he coached Khannouchi to a WR which I don't think anyone believes, it claims he coached Boutayeb in 1988-- which would mean he was coaching this guy to a 10K gold while he himself was training and racing at 800 meters all summer and in the olympics. Was he self-coached? Maybe he coached himself and boutayeb and trained together? I remember the rumor was that these two guys hated each other and didn't train together at all because Aouita was so secretive about what he did. I then states he coached Skah in 92, and Hicham El Guerrouj... I thought El Guerrouj was coached by his brother or something? I think this may be a case where the Moroccan "National team coach" is getting credit for whatever the best runners from morroco do. But even then I don't see how he gets credit for Khannouchi's WR. Does anyone else have information?
The coach of El G actually called Aouita out on this, when Aouita put it on his resume in his application for the Australian job.
Yes, Coach Kada…himself the coach of many drug infractions (Kaouch, Driouch- this affair released his affiliation with the Qatari federation).
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It's be easier to name the morrocans who haven't been busted
I remember that selsousi she was flying at the grand Prix meets and of course it was all a doped performance
Like most of the top pros I reckon
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mikehammer wrote:
It's be easier to name the morrocans who haven't been busted
I remember that selsousi she was flying at the grand Prix meets and of course it was all a doped performance
Like most of the top pros I reckon
Stick on the tail of things ...
selsouli never was flying. She have never been able to win any major title
and if she was caught on 1 test over 60 negative tests, this doesn't mean she was doping all the time.
Aouita avoided the 1500m Olympic Gold medal to ensure getting a first Olympic Gold medal for his country.
Ask more your blocky Brit runners avoiding each other and with extremely intriguing and paradoxal performances.
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mikehammer wrote:
It's be easier to name the morrocans who haven't been busted
I remember that selsousi she was flying at the grand Prix meets and of course it was all a doped performance
Like most of the top pros I reckon
Aouita submerged you, and from all sides. Get over it bad loosers.
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Couscous wrote:
Yes, Coach Kada…himself the coach of many drug infractions (Kaouch, Driouch- this affair released his affiliation with the Qatari federation).
There is book of 500 pages written by an Australian about this successful coach.
You only want to see what you want, and close your eyes on the real truths.
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mikehammer wrote:
Edit Ovett^^ was capable of faster
never ,never I will let you play the teacher
stay to the ground while you are lying on dirtiness
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L'Berber wrote:
E_Smith wrote:
Aouita's record as a coach as listed in the front article seems pretty suspicious. Not only does it claim he coached Khannouchi to a WR which I don't think anyone believes, it claims he coached Boutayeb in 1988-- which would mean he was coaching this guy to a 10K gold while he himself was training and racing at 800 meters all summer and in the olympics. Was he self-coached? Maybe he coached himself and boutayeb and trained together? I remember the rumor was that these two guys hated each other and didn't train together at all because Aouita was so secretive about what he did. I then states he coached Skah in 92, and Hicham El Guerrouj... I thought El Guerrouj was coached by his brother or something? I think this may be a case where the Moroccan "National team coach" is getting credit for whatever the best runners from morroco do. But even then I don't see how he gets credit for Khannouchi's WR. Does anyone else have information?
The coach of El G actually called Aouita out on this, when Aouita put it on his resume in his application for the Australian job.
Be educated and dont joke using other culture names.
We don't joke with Berber name, it's the rosbif that we get on the other side.
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600yd/600m man wrote:
L'Berber wrote:
He did not drop down from the 5000 to the 800. He was always primarily an 800/1500 runner. He ran the 5000 in LA because it was ridiculously weak compared to the prospect of facing a fit and healthy Coe, Cram, Ovett, Scott, Abascal, Gomez etc at 1500
In 1988 he devoted himself to the 800 and even his 1500 speed clearly diminished.
In 1980, had Ovett chosen to double the 800 and 5000, he would have won the silver in the 5000 along with the gold in the 800. That's range.
First, 800m to 5000m is as rare as 400m to 800m. Roughly a 15% pace difference from 400m to 800m and roughly a 15% pace difference from 800m to 5000m.
It doesn't matter that S. Ovett won a Commonwealth 5000m gold, Ovett was not good enough at 5000m to earn a 5000m medal at Olympics or World Championship. Ovett would have finished 5th or 6th, 1980 Olympics 5000m.
No Kenyans, 1980 Olympics. Even if a Kenyan doesn't earn 800m gold, Kenyans affect all 800m championship races. Kenyans today are as likely to race negative splits, 800m as front run. For sure, 1980 Kenyans were 800m front runners. Eight-hundred meters without Kenyans is not a real 800m race. Stop it with this great Steve Ovett stuff. He lost to Jurgen Straub.
Nonsense. Ovett famously lost by a vest to John Treacy who finished 7th in Moscow, only because he eased up and waved to the crowd thinking he'd won easily. He also had a heavy cold that night that he had picked up in Moscow. He would have been 2nd favorite behind Yifter if he had entered. You do know he was the two mile WR holder, beating Rono who was in his best ever season? I imagine Ovett was in better 5000 shape in 80 than 78.
Doesn't matter that the Kenyans weren't in Moscow, they had no medal threat in the 800. How many Kenyan 800/1500 finalists from the last 5 years have been busted? Bett, Kipketer, Kiprop, Manangoi.
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L\'innoculateur wrote:
Couscous wrote:
Yes, Coach Kada…himself the coach of many drug infractions (Kaouch, Driouch- this affair released his affiliation with the Qatari federation).
There is book of 500 pages written by an Australian about this successful coach.
You only want to see what you want, and close your eyes on the real truths.
Eh, I’d encourage you to rather take your own advices.
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L\'Berber wrote:
In 1980, had Ovett chosen to double the 800 and 5000, he would have won the silver in the 5000 along with the gold in the 800. That's range.
Gotta say, this seems entirely possible.
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Obviously if someone digs up some ancient thread claiming Aouita is the best from 800 to 5000, I'll correct them that 800+ GOAT is Augustine Choge.
800: 1:44
1500: 3:29
3000: 7:28
5000: 12:53
only event where Aouita was significantly faster was 800. 1500 they're about even, Choge better at 3000 and 5000, plus
HM 59
No chance Aouita could ever have ran a 59 HM. Neither ran a sub 27 10,000 but Choge would have if it weren't a dead event when he started moving up.
Notice served to all future "Aouita range GOAT" thread bumpers, I've got you covered, don't bother.40
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