Is Jakob's 7:17.55 more impressive than a sub-2 marathon?

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11 months ago 09/29/2024 5:25pm EDT

re: Grassrunner

To get back to the thread's original question (though I do love a good debate about the definition of a word like "incremental"), the answer is no.

The 7:17 is not more impressive than a sub-2 hour marathon. The sub-2 would be more impressive than the 3 second improvement in the 3000m.

With the super fast tracks, the bi-carb, the super shoes, the double thresholds, etc. I think that taking 1 second per Km off of Komen's record is "doable" for a super athlete like Jakob. I know it is doable because Jakob did it.

Going sub-2 in the Marathon was widely considered humanly impossible and when it happens, it should be rightly considered the most amazing result in our sport.

There is just so much that can go wrong in a marathon and you only get a couple shots per year. You might only get a half-dozen shots at the race while at your peak. That alone makes a "perfect marathon" harder to achieve.

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11 months ago 09/29/2024 5:25pm EDT

re: Asbc

Asbc wrote:
Newname wrote:
Got nothing to do with the fact the time decrease was not incremental.
One can make the argument that the new shoes have resulted in faster times and that Komen's time is superior to Jakob's due to that.
That's a different argument.
You are not smart enough to engage here, and of course most of you are not. If the shoes render this 3000m almost tantamount to a very slight downhill, say a 2 second aid, then this translates to an imperceptible improvement on a 28 year old record. This is what is happening. It is best for me to detach myself from the ignorance here.

I tried

11 months ago 09/29/2024 5:31pm EDT

re: Asbc

Asbc wrote:
It is best for me to detach myself from the ignorance here.

playing cool doesn't work if you spend 8 hours seething before that

11 months ago 09/29/2024 6:24pm EDT

re: Ruxton Towers XC

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
To get back to the thread's original question (though I do love a good debate about the definition of a word like "incremental"), the answer is no.
The 7:17 is not more impressive than a sub-2 hour marathon. The sub-2 would be more impressive than the 3 second improvement in the 3000m.
With the super fast tracks, the bi-carb, the super shoes, the double thresholds, etc. I think that taking 1 second per Km off of Komen's record is "doable" for a super athlete like Jakob. I know it is doable because Jakob did it.
Going sub-2 in the Marathon was widely considered humanly impossible and when it happens, it should be rightly considered the most amazing result in our sport.
There is just so much that can go wrong in a marathon and you only get a couple shots per year. You might only get a half-dozen shots at the race while at your peak. That alone makes a "perfect marathon" harder to achieve.

Where's Ventolin^3???

Here's an interesting comparison:

Fisher is 7.93 seconds behind Jakob's WR. 7.93sec×42.195km÷3km=111.34sec=1:51

If Jakob's 7:17.55 is equivalent to a 1:59:59, Grant's 7:25.47 would proportionately equate to a 2:01:50 marathon equivalent.

11 months ago 09/29/2024 6:40pm EDT

re: Grassrunner

Y'all have ruined the word "incremental" for me.

Please consult the dictionary before posting. The fact that nobody but Jakob and Aregawi have come even CLOSE to the record, despite super shoes being around for quite a few years at this point, clearly shows there is nothing "incremental" about Jakob's new WR.

To the guy that's going to call me a moron and problematic poster, etc.--hope you can wrap your little head around this.

11 months ago 09/29/2024 6:45pm EDT

re: potate

potate wrote:
Y'all have ruined the word "incremental" for me.
Please consult the dictionary before posting. The fact that nobody but Jakob and Aregawi have come even CLOSE to the record, despite super shoes being around for quite a few years at this point, clearly shows there is nothing "incremental" about Jakob's new WR.
To the guy that's going to call me a moron and problematic poster, etc.--hope you can wrap your little head around this.

IF you were more intelligent you would know that the comparison is Komen. What do you think peak Komen would have run this year in those spikes on that track?

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