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She had a bad race. Congrats if this gets you off.
If I give a thumbs up, does that mean I agree she had a bad race or I got off?
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bad result wrote:
Make no mistake, this is a really bad result
Well, she's almost zero mountain running this year to prepare for this so hardly shocking.
Wait, I thought trail running was only for people too slow to be elite on the track and roads. I was told any elite track runner could easily win any trail race without specific training because they are so much faster.
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And you can do better?? Come back when you beat Allie O.
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The deal is she is sponsored by NNormal and not really delivering. She has a YouTube channel, but that is pretty much it.
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Put respect on Sophia Laukli, too!! US nordie who won the race last year in her debut and finished 7th this year, and she's only 23!
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So if she would have filed for an exemption it would have been allowed? How is this doping? How would this have made her faster?
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AbNnormal wrote:
So if she would have filed for an exemption it would have been allowed? How is this doping? How would this have made her faster?
How it is doping? It is a masking agent.
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Just wondering why she's doing mountain/trail running all of a sudden? She was going really well on the track, feels like she's finished if she's made the decision to move on.
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let me tell you now wrote:
The deal is she is sponsored by NNormal and not really delivering. She has a YouTube channel, but that is pretty much it.
I mean she hit the Olympic Standard in the Steeplechase. I wouldn't call that not really performing. NNormal likely pays her not for race results but for YouTube views. She had a quarter million views for her local 5k race video. Welcome to the new sponsorship model. Those 250,000 views sell more NNormal gear than winning a race that only a few thousand hard core ultra fans follow.
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I'd also say it's probably a pretty long race for Allie to be doing....especially considering the track steeple focus this summer and her past with basically only doing "short mountain races". It feels more like racing a full marathon (nearly 3 hours for the top Women) at a very hard effort. The Boulder trails that exist now simply do not replicate the profile of SZ. It requires more specific prep and training imo. Boulder it not a good place to train for it.
Anyway, it does look like runners like Anna Gibson did quite well with a 6th place finish (3:08) on the Women's side as she was coming off the track trials for the US also. It probably helped she raced some VKs and the 26km at Broken Arrow at least in prep.
Sage, thoughts on the race plan here? Does Kilian provide guidance for Nnormal athletes? Her coach? Why do this to yourself to kick off your trail season after a massive, intense Olympic block? Could have much more fun on Boulder cruisers or the Flatirons.
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S. CanadayIt's not just the gain over distance ratio....it's the nature of the trails in the Alps vs most US mountain ranges. Sierre-Zinal basically starts off with what feels like almost a double VK where you are powerhiking like 15-min miles and then all of a sudden you have to drop a low 5-min and 6-min miles on mountain trails (which feels very fast!). It is not technical. It's usually hot and exposed. The last 10-miles are actually a net downhill. That transition is super tough and requires some mountain legs but also some very specific turn-over. It helps to have some altitude training as well though.
It helps to know the course, especially the finish where you descend very steeply to the line. If it is still an open course where shortcuts are allowed you have to figure out what line is best for you. One could easily lose 10 places or more if you do not know the finish.
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S. Canaday wrote:
xy.. wrote:
Ironically, Seattle would have been pretty ideal for preparation, based on the course profile. 1500m of gain in the first 5k. Plenty of accessible terrain like that within an hour.
It's not just the gain over distance ratio....it's the nature of the trails in the Alps vs most US mountain ranges. Sierre-Zinal basically starts off with what feels like almost a double VK where you are powerhiking like 15-min miles and then all of a sudden you have to drop a low 5-min and 6-min miles on mountain trails (which feels very fast!). It is not technical. It's usually hot and exposed. The last 10-miles are actually a net downhill. That transition is super tough and requires some mountain legs but also some very specific turn-over. It helps to have some altitude training as well though.
Pound for pound it is probably the deepest and most competitive mountain race in the world (and has a super long history). Again, I can't say it's always clean though.
World mountain champions like Max King and Joe Gray and many others get beat at Sierre-Zinal. It's deeper in competition than UTMB or any other ultra or shorter mountain race I can think of. It is THE Mountain Race.
It's interesting to me that Anna Gibson (1500m)and Allie O (3k steeple) both ran mid distance at the track trials. Is there something about trail running (or this course) that attracts mid distance runners. I would have expected 10k or marathon runners to be who'd we see giving this tough race a go.
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Why is Allie made this decision? wrote:
Just wondering why she's doing mountain/trail running all of a sudden? She was going really well on the track, feels like she's finished if she's made the decision to move on.
You just don't know Allie well. In high school in addition to xc, she was famous for trail running.
Left to her own choices, she would mix in some trail/mountain runs every year just for fun.
Of course as Sage points out, a trail Marathon off a season of steeple training is not ideal.
I'm not sure when it will happen, but you probably will see her make a commitment at some points to a full season of either trail or mountain.
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bad result wrote:
Make no mistake, this is a really bad result
Well, she's almost zero mountain running this year to prepare for this so hardly shocking.
It looks like the winner, who won by over 8 minutes, was running in her first trail race.
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