Why does Jingy keep doing bad tactics in the 1500m and brilliant tactics in the 5000m at the last 3 global championships?

he did in Paris and successfully neutralized El g. Alas, he also neutralized himself and paved way for Kipchoge's victory.

He could’ve ran slower at the start and assured himself 3rd, but it seems Jakob would rather flame out in an attempt for gold.

You’d understand if you were the hyper-competitive type.

Half of the posters on this board seem to be under the strange idea that "being faster at shorter distances = better kick at end of race".

Kicking at the end of (most) race(s) is a function of your fitness. It doesn't matter what your 800 best is in a 1500 when you are kicking at PB or near PB pace.

There are obviously some extremes - if the race is an absolute jog (e.g. Rio) then position, ability to accelerate, and top-end speed do matter (probably in that order).

Jakob wouldn't do great in a slow 1500 when position and ability to accelerate come into play. I suspect he would do fine in a fairly fast race (not necessarily WR pace).

Bottom line is that it's really hard to lead a whole race. You have to be much better than the competition (probably 1.5-2 seconds at that level) to do it successfully. Jakob isn't two seconds faster than Kerr, Hocker, and Nuguse.

I suspect Tim would have kept the pace reasonably honest had Jakob chosen not to lead. Winding it up from 500-600 out and holding off any challenges would probably have been his best bet.

T4act1c5!!!!!!!

I guess it never occurred to you that sometimes a guy loses just because the other guys are better.

I wouldn't say his tactics were brilliant in the 5000 today to be honest, they started off the race jogging 67s and he was boxed in when Gebriwhet made his move. He just had far superior fitness and kicking ability so still pulled away easily

I think he is overconfident in his overall superiority and underconfident in his kick. He thinks he is so much better than everyone else that he can just run away from them from the start. This tactic has rarely ever worked for anyone. Filbert Bayi did it in '74 and Cheruiyot in 2019 at world's, but the world caught up with both of them. I think El Guerrouj in 2000 was overconfident when taking the lead too early and he paid for it as well. Those guys who outkicked Ingebrigtsen all have good kicks, but not insane. In a really slow final there is a danger from lots of guys, but if the race had gone moderately quick (3:30-3:32), Ingebrigtsen could probably have kicked with any of them. A good windup from 500 or 600 out might have worked. If the pace was honest, he might have even been able to outkick them from 300 out.

Yeah this. It's not like Bekele didn't try to push, he actually went out at near WR pace from the start, but he was probably fatigued from the rounds and the 10k where he went sub 13 the second half to beat Gebrselassie. No one can frontrun from the start and win with no help in that situation, which is why he went with a last 2k burnup in Beijing instead.

This was glaringly obvious at the outset. As soon as Tim ran well in Monaco Jakob should have solidified a plan around him.

Tactics, schmactics. Jakob can beat anybody in the world in the 5k, every time. If they run a time trial, he's the 7:54 2 miler. If they don't run a time trial, he's the fastest 1500 meter runner in the field. He can't lose. It's that simple.

They also know what to expect. It makes it easier as his rivals in the 1,500 know he will go out hard and have mentally prepared themselves for that.

If there was an element of unpredictability then it would make it much more difficult for them.

Hockey’s kick is insane. It’s in a league of its own.

Jakob can only lose in the 5000 if he gets tripped or intentionally boxed in by team tactics right before the last lap pretty much.

His kick is very very good, but he isn't gapping people in an outrageous manner. He has very good acceleration and he tends to time his finish well, but he isn't finishing way faster than his competitors. Lots of times the one with the best kick is the one who is patient and makes the move at the right time. Nuguse had a pretty good kick the other day, but he didn't time it right. Hocker did everything perfectly, but it's not like I can't imagine someone outkicking him.

In the 1500 that's not a kick, that's just a crazy fast pace. That is Jakob's super power in the 1500 - being able to sustain a fast gear like that. Problem is that's about as fast in terms of speed he's going to be able to do in that distance. He gets mowed down in the end by others because they have faster raw speed. 1:48 doesn't matter when 3 runners can stick to him and outkick him.

It's basically his top end speed in a 1500 isn't as good as others'. Against a 5k field, different story.

Lolz sounds like what I was hearing not long ago about him in the 1500. He is not the fastest 5k runner in the world yet, so you can't make this claim.

Jakob femboys always in a rush to get to their safe space.

Lol I feel like the "Jingy" nickname needs to be retired until any of the three 3 Coffee Club mates wins a GLOBAL title.

Last time I checked 3:26 is faster than 3:27