I hope there are some athletes in T&F that are not on PEDs, but I have been told by a very good source that there are no riders in the Pro Peloton not on PEDs, it would be impossible at that level to compete clean. So is it the same in T&F????? who knows
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Black and White wrote:
TheTortoise wrote:
As clean as Mu.
I'm just the opposite. Mu I think is clean, and Kelly Hodgkinson I think is doping.
Any white girl that beats a black girl in track raises flags in my book. It feels unnatural to me. That's just on general principle. Call it "Black Supremacy" or whatever one wants to call it. Whenever it happens it just looks weird as hell to me, and suspect as hell.
It's the same with Ingebrigtsen. A white guy just leaving Africans in the dust on the track? Something is going on there. He's probably never going to get caught, but whatever he's doing isn't real, in my opinion.
If I see a dozen a people from Norway doing that then I'll believe it. But just one? Hell no. No one is that special.
I agree. That's not "Black Supremacy", it's just science. Having life-long exposure to altitude, as well as the genetic make-ups for running, it's impossible for people like Jakob and Hodgkinson to get to their level without some form of "external aid".
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Taylor Swift wrote:
She's broken doped records that have stood for decades. Are we to believe she's accomplished all this clean?
If we assume she is doping Mu 110% is.
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She's British. So no.
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Black and White wrote:
TheTortoise wrote:
As clean as Mu.
I'm just the opposite. Mu I think is clean, and Kelly Hodgkinson I think is doping.
Any white girl that beats a black girl in track raises flags in my book. It feels unnatural to me. That's just on general principle. Call it "Black Supremacy" or whatever one wants to call it. Whenever it happens it just looks weird as hell to me, and suspect as hell.
It's the same with Ingebrigtsen. A white guy just leaving Africans in the dust on the track? Something is going on there. He's probably never going to get caught, but whatever he's doing isn't real, in my opinion.
If I see a dozen a people from Norway doing that then I'll believe it. But just one? Hell no. No one is that special.
Why you think Mu is clean?
Reasons she is not:
She has Kersee as her coach.
He coached Flo-Jo
Was connected with the Balco scandal(look it up)
He coached Marion Jones
She never races but manages to be top in an event that generally requires a good amount of racing.
She does not need to be doping for me to hate her. She never races and does not like the sport so there is no way I would ever cheer for someone who ends up stunting the growth of the sport. I am not saying Keely is clean but she sure as hell is cleaner than this drug bag.
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Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Black and White wrote:
I'm just the opposite. Mu I think is clean, and Kelly Hodgkinson I think is doping.
Any white girl that beats a black girl in track raises flags in my book. It feels unnatural to me. That's just on general principle. Call it "Black Supremacy" or whatever one wants to call it. Whenever it happens it just looks weird as hell to me, and suspect as hell.
It's the same with Ingebrigtsen. A white guy just leaving Africans in the dust on the track? Something is going on there. He's probably never going to get caught, but whatever he's doing isn't real, in my opinion.
If I see a dozen a people from Norway doing that then I'll believe it. But just one? Hell no. No one is that special.
I agree. That's not "Black Supremacy", it's just science. Having life-long exposure to altitude, as well as the genetic make-ups for running, it's impossible for people like Jakob and Hodgkinson to get to their level without some form of "external aid".
Mu did not have longtime altitude exposure. She is from New Jersey which is about 250 feet above sea level which is not a lot.
Also you are saying that no white person can be faster than any black people? I am faster than quite a few black people so that does not quite add up.
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123 please kill me wrote:
Black and White wrote:
I'm just the opposite. Mu I think is clean, and Kelly Hodgkinson I think is doping.
Any white girl that beats a black girl in track raises flags in my book. It feels unnatural to me. That's just on general principle. Call it "Black Supremacy" or whatever one wants to call it. Whenever it happens it just looks weird as hell to me, and suspect as hell.
It's the same with Ingebrigtsen. A white guy just leaving Africans in the dust on the track? Something is going on there. He's probably never going to get caught, but whatever he's doing isn't real, in my opinion.
If I see a dozen a people from Norway doing that then I'll believe it. But just one? Hell no. No one is that special.
Why you think Mu is clean?
Reasons she is not:
She has Kersee as her coach.
He coached Flo-Jo
Was connected with the Balco scandal(look it up)
He coached Marion Jones
She never races but manages to be top in an event that generally requires a good amount of racing.
She does not need to be doping for me to hate her. She never races and does not like the sport so there is no way I would ever cheer for someone who ends up stunting the growth of the sport. I am not saying Keely is clean but she sure as hell is cleaner than this drug bag.
Mu ran 1:55 without Kersee
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Yalding wrote:
123 please kill me wrote:
Why you think Mu is clean?
Reasons she is not:
She has Kersee as her coach.
He coached Flo-Jo
Was connected with the Balco scandal(look it up)
He coached Marion Jones
She never races but manages to be top in an event that generally requires a good amount of racing.
She does not need to be doping for me to hate her. She never races and does not like the sport so there is no way I would ever cheer for someone who ends up stunting the growth of the sport. I am not saying Keely is clean but she sure as hell is cleaner than this drug bag.
Mu ran 1:55 without Kersee
And athletes dope on their own all the time. Also does anyone know Armstrongs number? I need him to back me up here.
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123 please kill me wrote:
Black and White wrote:
I'm just the opposite. Mu I think is clean, and Kelly Hodgkinson I think is doping.
Any white girl that beats a black girl in track raises flags in my book. It feels unnatural to me. That's just on general principle. Call it "Black Supremacy" or whatever one wants to call it. Whenever it happens it just looks weird as hell to me, and suspect as hell.
It's the same with Ingebrigtsen. A white guy just leaving Africans in the dust on the track? Something is going on there. He's probably never going to get caught, but whatever he's doing isn't real, in my opinion.
If I see a dozen a people from Norway doing that then I'll believe it. But just one? Hell no. No one is that special.
Why you think Mu is clean?
Reasons she is not:
She has Kersee as her coach.
He coached Flo-Jo
Was connected with the Balco scandal(look it up)
He coached Marion Jones
She never races but manages to be top in an event that generally requires a good amount of racing.
She does not need to be doping for me to hate her. She never races and does not like the sport so there is no way I would ever cheer for someone who ends up stunting the growth of the sport. I am not saying Keely is clean but she sure as hell is cleaner than this drug bag.
You do realize she had two Olympic gold medals and a World Championship gold medal before going to Bobby Kersee, right?
If anything, he may have slowed her down.
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Black and White wrote:
123 please kill me wrote:
Why you think Mu is clean?
Reasons she is not:
She has Kersee as her coach.
He coached Flo-Jo
Was connected with the Balco scandal(look it up)
He coached Marion Jones
She never races but manages to be top in an event that generally requires a good amount of racing.
She does not need to be doping for me to hate her. She never races and does not like the sport so there is no way I would ever cheer for someone who ends up stunting the growth of the sport. I am not saying Keely is clean but she sure as hell is cleaner than this drug bag.
You do realize she had two Olympic gold medals and a World Championship gold medal before going to Bobby Kersee, right?
If anything, he may have slowed her down.
Are you talking about Jones? If so: she got popped real hard. And Flo-Jo, well, if I could go all in on whether or not she took steroids I would in a heartbeat. And so would everyone but Rekrunner maybe.
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At minimum she’s cleaner than anyone whose coached by Kersee.
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123 please kill me wrote:
Black and White wrote:
You do realize she had two Olympic gold medals and a World Championship gold medal before going to Bobby Kersee, right?
If anything, he may have slowed her down.
Are you talking about Jones? If so: she got popped real hard. And Flo-Jo, well, if I could go all in on whether or not she took steroids I would in a heartbeat. And so would everyone but Rekrunner maybe.
I'm talking about Athing Mu. The person you say isn't clean.
If she's doping when did she start? During the one season she was at Texas A&M, or back when she was at the "world famous" Trenton Track Club as a teenager?
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Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Black and White wrote:
I'm just the opposite. Mu I think is clean, and Kelly Hodgkinson I think is doping.
Any white girl that beats a black girl in track raises flags in my book. It feels unnatural to me. That's just on general principle. Call it "Black Supremacy" or whatever one wants to call it. Whenever it happens it just looks weird as hell to me, and suspect as hell.
It's the same with Ingebrigtsen. A white guy just leaving Africans in the dust on the track? Something is going on there. He's probably never going to get caught, but whatever he's doing isn't real, in my opinion.
If I see a dozen a people from Norway doing that then I'll believe it. But just one? Hell no. No one is that special.
I agree. That's not "Black Supremacy", it's just science. Having life-long exposure to altitude, as well as the genetic make-ups for running, it's impossible for people like Jakob and Hodgkinson to get to their level without some form of "external aid".
How does this apply to Mu?
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Black and White wrote:
123 please kill me wrote:
Are you talking about Jones? If so: she got popped real hard. And Flo-Jo, well, if I could go all in on whether or not she took steroids I would in a heartbeat. And so would everyone but Rekrunner maybe.
I'm talking about Athing Mu. The person you say isn't clean.
If she's doping when did she start? During the one season she was at Texas A&M, or back when she was at the "world famous" Trenton Track Club as a teenager?
I could easily believe she was doping at A&M. If an athlete knows Kersee's rep they should want to steer clear not jump right in.
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If you look at Keely’s progression, it is one of the most suspicious I have ever seen. She went from mid-packer to world-beater while dropping 8 seconds in the 2 years leading up to Tokyo, and 6 seconds in 2020 alone when testing was non-existent due to COVID. I think she sold her soul that year and decided she liked it. Also she’s British so 100% doped to the gills. Not a fan of this chick getting a free pass because she is a white hot bop.
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Black and White wrote:
123 please kill me wrote:
Are you talking about Jones? If so: she got popped real hard. And Flo-Jo, well, if I could go all in on whether or not she took steroids I would in a heartbeat. And so would everyone but Rekrunner maybe.
I'm talking about Athing Mu. The person you say isn't clean.
If she's doping when did she start? During the one season she was at Texas A&M, or back when she was at the "world famous" Trenton Track Club as a teenager?
Isn't Texas A&M the college which was trying to make Asinga train with them also after they knew he was doped to the gills and already suspended?
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KeelysMom wrote:
If you look at Keely’s progression, it is one of the most suspicious I have ever seen. She went from mid-packer to world-beater while dropping 8 seconds in the 2 years leading up to Tokyo, and 6 seconds in 2020 alone when testing was non-existent due to COVID. I think she sold her soul that year and decided she liked it. Also she’s British so 100% doped to the gills. Not a fan of this chick getting a free pass because she is a white hot bop.
Her progression is similar to Mu's so if one deserves scrutiny so does the other.
Hodgkinson
2016 2:12.53
2017 2:06.85
2018 2:04.26
2019 2:03.40
2020 2:01.16
2021 1:55.88 -5.28 !!Mu
2015 2:10.18
2016 2:16.17
2017 2:07.18
2018 2:04.51
2019 2:01.17
2020 2:04.08
2021 1:55.04 -6.13 !!!!182 -
TheTortoise wrote:
KeelysMom wrote:
If you look at Keely’s progression, it is one of the most suspicious I have ever seen. She went from mid-packer to world-beater while dropping 8 seconds in the 2 years leading up to Tokyo, and 6 seconds in 2020 alone when testing was non-existent due to COVID. I think she sold her soul that year and decided she liked it. Also she’s British so 100% doped to the gills. Not a fan of this chick getting a free pass because she is a white hot bop.
Her progression is similar to Mu's so if one deserves scrutiny so does the other.
Hodgkinson
2016 2:12.53
2017 2:06.85
2018 2:04.26
2019 2:03.40
2020 2:01.16
2021 1:55.88 -5.28 !!Mu
2015 2:10.18
2016 2:16.17
2017 2:07.18
2018 2:04.51
2019 2:01.17
2020 2:04.08
2021 1:55.04 -6.13 !!!!2020 marks are from a covid-truncated season and should’ve almost certainly been faster for both. Honestly though, the main takeaway from these progressions should be that Mu and Hodgkinson were both running elite level times when they were literally children and have been amongst the top global half-mile talents in their age bracket for the last 8 years.
The 2017 - 2021 progressions would look weird for athletes in their late 20s and REALLY weird for athletes in their 30s. For athletes ages 15 - 19 (still growing + making the shift from high school —> collegiate and professional training loads) there’s literally nothing weird about either of them.
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123 please kill me wrote:
Black and White wrote:
I'm talking about Athing Mu. The person you say isn't clean.
If she's doping when did she start? During the one season she was at Texas A&M, or back when she was at the "world famous" Trenton Track Club as a teenager?
I could easily believe she was doping at A&M. If an athlete knows Kersee's rep they should want to steer clear not jump right in.
+1
Hard to believe that anyone would defend Kersee or his athletes. That he is still coaching, and that athletes want to be coached by The Chemist, is plain disgusting, and says a lot about our sport.
Same goes for Mitchell and Ross etc., btw.
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