Also, Hannah Steelman is still be coached by Henes as a professional since signing with On in 2022, and she has not improved at all. Not only has she not improved, she has in fact ran significantly slower than she did at Wofford and even NC State. Her most recent 5k was “decent” (not by pro standards), but Steelman is capable of much, much more. Simply put Henes’ training works great for some (See Sam, Katelyn, Grace, Allie), and causes immense damage to others (See Hannah, Sydney, Brooke, Amaris).
Also, Hannah Steelman is still be coached by Henes as a professional since signing with On in 2022, and she has not improved at all. Not only has she not improved, she has in fact ran significantly slower than she did at Wofford and even NC State. Her most recent 5k was “decent” (not by pro standards), but Steelman is capable of much, much more. Simply put Henes’ training works great for some (See Sam, Katelyn, Grace, Allie), and causes immense damage to others (See Hannah, Sydney, Brooke, Amaris).
Also, Hannah Steelman is still be coached by Henes as a professional since signing with On in 2022, and she has not improved at all. Not only has she not improved, she has in fact ran significantly slower than she did at Wofford and even NC State. Her most recent 5k was “decent” (not by pro standards), but Steelman is capable of much, much more. Simply put Henes’ training works great for some (See Sam, Katelyn, Grace, Allie), and causes immense damage to others (See Hannah, Sydney, Brooke, Amaris).
What's your source on who Steelman's coach (as a pro) is? From all I've seen, Steelman is based in Flagstaff, along with her friend Elly Henes (Laurie Henes' daughter)....and seen people speculating that Steelman is being coached by Mike Smith (as is Elly Henes).
Is it really breaking news that a coach wont have roaring success with 100% of athletes? Are we going to ignore all the success stories at UF right now because Mazza-Downie has struggled since transferring in? Ruby Smee hasn't gotten any better at NAU, are we going to sh1t on Mike Smith next?
Is it really breaking news that a coach wont have roaring success with 100% of athletes? Are we going to ignore all the success stories at UF right now because Mazza-Downie has struggled since transferring in? Ruby Smee hasn't gotten any better at NAU, are we going to sh1t on Mike Smith next?
NAU's women have greatly struggled this outdoor season.
Amaris Tynismaa will always be an enigma to me. she's hurt/underperforms the entire XC season, miraculously runs the race of her life at nationals to help NC State win it all. then falls off the map again, resurfaces just in time for a solid regional that gets her into nationals only to DNF last night. the most up and down runner ever.
Amaris Tynismaa will always be an enigma to me. she's hurt/underperforms the entire XC season, miraculously runs the race of her life at nationals to help NC State win it all. then falls off the map again, resurfaces just in time for a solid regional that gets her into nationals only to DNF last night. the most up and down runner ever.
overall i agree but i dont think last night was her being an enigma i think she just wanted to full send it in her last ever college race and in hindsight it wasn't a great idea to try and run with the top 3. They were running 2-3 seconds faster per lap than the rest of the field. She probably should have tried to run with Scrimgeour or Hartman who she ran with at regionals.
Amaris Tynismaa will always be an enigma to me. she's hurt/underperforms the entire XC season, miraculously runs the race of her life at nationals to help NC State win it all. then falls off the map again, resurfaces just in time for a solid regional that gets her into nationals only to DNF last night. the most up and down runner ever.
overall i agree but i dont think last night was her being an enigma i think she just wanted to full send it in her last ever college race and in hindsight it wasn't a great idea to try and run with the top 3. They were running 2-3 seconds faster per lap than the rest of the field. She probably should have tried to run with Scrimgeour or Hartman who she ran with at regionals.
yeah, I can see that. her last race, just leave it all on the table. overall her career has been so up and down, never know what to expect out of her. wonder if she goes pro or calls it a career?
Is it really breaking news that a coach wont have roaring success with 100% of athletes? Are we going to ignore all the success stories at UF right now because Mazza-Downie has struggled since transferring in? Ruby Smee hasn't gotten any better at NAU, are we going to sh1t on Mike Smith next?
NAU's women have greatly struggled this outdoor season.
Continuing to say something over and over does not make it true. The women are doing just fine and as it was pointed out in earlier threads they had more women qualify for nationals than many womens teams that placed top 10 at XC nationals.
Maggi Congdon just broke the school record AGAIN in the 1500 advancing to finals
She then ran a 52 400 leg on the 4x4 that made it to nationals and broke the school record while beating teams like Stanford & Clemson in the semis
Karrie Baloga continues to improve and is in the finals for the steeple
Gracelyn Larkin, Annika Reiss are in the 5k Saturday (7 women on the team broke 16 minutes this year) (5 women in the top 30 west rankings)
Elise Stearns is hurt and I've heard Maisie Grice broke her ankle which is why she's not competing.
Ali Upshaw made nationals although didn't have her best outing
Ruby Smee, Odessa Zentz and Alexis Kebbe are all entered in the Portland track fest so we'll see how that goes.
The Moore sisters continually improved all year
Freshman took a redshirt year
The sprints crew are also getting so much better and are continually besting school records- while may not be the hardest records to break in the NCAA but the fact is they are improving
Regarding Amaris Tyynismaa...I left out that she also ran her Mile PR while running for NC State, with a 4:32.56 in February 2023....which was faster than six mile times she ran while competing at Alabama.
So Amaris runs her PRs in the 5000m and Mile while at NC State, better than she ran at Alabama...and you call that "tanking"??
She also seemed to take a big swing at the 10000 going with the top 3 for quite a while, and it did not end well. Had she run more conservatively perhaps it would have ended better.
FTFY. I know the correct use of the word "run" is tough to figure out.
NAU's women have greatly struggled this outdoor season.
Continuing to say something over and over does not make it true. The women are doing just fine and as it was pointed out in earlier threads they had more women qualify for nationals than many womens teams that placed top 10 at XC nationals.
Maggi Congdon just broke the school record AGAIN in the 1500 advancing to finals
She then ran a 52 400 leg on the 4x4 that made it to nationals and broke the school record while beating teams like Stanford & Clemson in the semis
Karrie Baloga continues to improve and is in the finals for the steeple
Gracelyn Larkin, Annika Reiss are in the 5k Saturday (7 women on the team broke 16 minutes this year) (5 women in the top 30 west rankings)
Elise Stearns is hurt and I've heard Maisie Grice broke her ankle which is why she's not competing.
Ali Upshaw made nationals although didn't have her best outing
Ruby Smee, Odessa Zentz and Alexis Kebbe are all entered in the Portland track fest so we'll see how that goes.
The Moore sisters continually improved all year
Freshman took a redshirt year
The sprints crew are also getting so much better and are continually besting school records- while may not be the hardest records to break in the NCAA but the fact is they are improving
meanwhile the OSU women went 3-4-13 in the 10k, Galvydyte nearly broke 2 min in the prelim w/ the 3rd fastest qualifying time, and Roe is looking at possibly another top 3 finish in the 5k. OSU is going to score 10-20 more points than NAU in distance despite NAU having EVERY ADVANTAGE.
meanwhile the OSU women went 3-4-13 in the 10k, Galvydyte nearly broke 2 min in the prelim w/ the 3rd fastest qualifying time, and Roe is looking at possibly another top 3 finish in the 5k. OSU is going to score 10-20 more points than NAU in distance despite NAU having EVERY ADVANTAGE.
NAU's biggest advantage is no pressure on coach to score team points in national track. So none of your analysis matters for success of the coach.
meanwhile the OSU women went 3-4-13 in the 10k, Galvydyte nearly broke 2 min in the prelim w/ the 3rd fastest qualifying time, and Roe is looking at possibly another top 3 finish in the 5k. OSU is going to score 10-20 more points than NAU in distance despite NAU having EVERY ADVANTAGE.
What advantage does NAU have over OSU? Better school, better city, better coaching, better facilities, better academic, what else?
meanwhile the OSU women went 3-4-13 in the 10k, Galvydyte nearly broke 2 min in the prelim w/ the 3rd fastest qualifying time, and Roe is looking at possibly another top 3 finish in the 5k. OSU is going to score 10-20 more points than NAU in distance despite NAU having EVERY ADVANTAGE.
NAU's biggest advantage is no pressure on coach to score team points in national track. So none of your analysis matters for success of the coach.
Most would argue NAU's biggest advantage is the altitude. Or the dozens of pro runners that train on their track that they get to meet and run with.
If you go to a grocery store in Flagstaff you will see at least 3 pro runners every time.
Amazing scenery in the mountains, no wonder why all the pro runners live there for most of the year.
Most would argue NAU's biggest advantage is the altitude. Or the dozens of pro runners that train on their track that they get to meet and run with.
If you go to a grocery store in Flagstaff you will see at least 3 pro runners every time.
Amazing scenery in the mountains, no wonder why all the pro runners live there for most of the year.
Doesn’t make sense. If everyone lives and trains with altitude, then the altitude is no longer an advantage. Also, Valby and Tuohy lives and trains in FL and NC, why advantages do NAU runners have over either of them? Or over Wiley?
Most would argue NAU's biggest advantage is the altitude. Or the dozens of pro runners that train on their track that they get to meet and run with.
If you go to a grocery store in Flagstaff you will see at least 3 pro runners every time.
Amazing scenery in the mountains, no wonder why all the pro runners live there for most of the year.
Doesn’t make sense. If everyone lives and trains with altitude, then the altitude is no longer an advantage. Also, Valby and Tuohy lives and trains in FL and NC, why advantages do NAU runners have over either of them? Or over Wiley?
altitude training isn't some magic potion. Valby and Tuohy are better than the NAU runners because they are simply more talented. If they also trained at flagstaff altitude you could argue they would be even further ahead.
Doesn’t make sense. If everyone lives and trains with altitude, then the altitude is no longer an advantage. Also, Valby and Tuohy lives and trains in FL and NC, why advantages do NAU runners have over either of them? Or over Wiley?
altitude training isn't some magic potion. Valby and Tuohy are better than the NAU runners because they are simply more talented. If they also trained at flagstaff altitude you could argue they would be even further ahead.
Go over to campus and hit on Amaris or something. Get yourself someone to keep you from typing a short novella on these boards.
I wouldn't be wasting the time to type any of this if it weren't for some a$$hole here starting this thread to bash NC State with false/misleading arguments. But because of that I am compelled to counter these false arguments and present the truth.