NO, I win. The sweat rate out-strips the available intake of nrg/fluids. What about the 85 * weather low Humid? I win. I race that fool anyday. Jack you know the truth.
NO, I win. The sweat rate out-strips the available intake of nrg/fluids. What about the 85 * weather low Humid? I win. I race that fool anyday. Jack you know the truth.
Superstar matchup (would have to somehow get all in their prime years):
- Rheinhold Messner: First up Everest solo/no O2/First to climb all 14 8000m peaks/long walk traverses in Greenland/Antarctic
- Yannos Kouros: multiple WR-holder in multi-day ultra runs
- Ray Jardine: engineering genius/climber who holds records for Pac. Crest/Appalachian/Contintal Divide trails
- Norwegian who's name escapes me but was the first to traverse the arctic and antarctic on foot, unsupported.
- Goran Kropp: crazy climber (recently deceased) who bicycled with all of his supplies from Sweden to Everest, climbed it solo while the guided parties were getting "Into Thin Air" (R.I.P.), then biked back home.
-Lance: just to have a world-famous badass.
-My climbing partner Pete, that guy is an alien who can go farther on a liter of water and a handful of crud than any man or dog I've ever seen.
There's my selections, heavily weighted towards climbers, I admit. Any others?
For animals, I'd pick the Saiga antelope, which can run 50 mph for something like 10+ hours.
Body Model - Male who is a professional ballet dancer and yoga master. This is a pairing of maximal efficiency in movement combined with the consciousness to control the breath, and therefore all other bodily systems, such that only the absolute essential amount of breaths are taken, all through the nose to reduce the amount of water lost from respiration through the mouth. The proportions of this person would fit Leonardo's canon of man, which is a recognition of man that is in geometrical alignment with the universal rhythm. One question I have here is whether or not a male in his physical prime would be able to go longer than a post-menopausal woman who may have a more optimally low metabolism.
Traveling - Would be done barefoot to eliminate the considerable amount of energy wasted from placing the excessive weight of shoes, which are located at the absolute worst spot of the longest lever on the body that is paramount in the propulsion taking place. A silver body suit, fitted for slight compression of the muscles to reduce excessive muscle vibration during movement, would help to conserve more energy. The suit should be reflective enough to combat the extreme elements combatted on such a trip, but breathable so that there will be no danger of sweating, either while walking during the coldest 12 hours of the day or while sleeping during the warmest 12 hours of the day under shade. The suit would be something similar to what we saw Cathy Freeman wearing during the 2000 Olympics, which was nearly full body coverage. Based on past experience a speed of 2.5 mph should be sustainable without breaking a sweat, and this is vital as any sweating will not be acceptable. Another essential element is that one is either sleeping or walking.
Gear - (Me)150 lb. body, carrying 15 lb. of fat.
3.5 gallons of water (448 oz.) = 30 lbs.
1.5 pounds of whey protein powder = 672 grams of proteing equaling 2,688 calories.
1.5 gallons of flax oil = 11 pounds and 48,600 calories
5 pounds of goji berries, a superfood from tibet, gives another 60 oz. of water and 8,750 calories.
6 oz. of supergreen food, which is a mixture of green algaes and many bacterias, is a way to increase digestion and assimilation efficiency.
A spherical contraption will be made to contain all of this. It will be placed on top of the head, so that the center is aligned with the pole of light that runs from the perineum up the axis of the body and out the crown chakra located at the head. This type of placement is optimal for power output and stability of the body. Two elastic chords will be attached to the sides and will be of a general length so that they can be fastened to the body suit near the hands while the arms are placed so that one is in the anatomical position, which again maximizes power and therefore efficiency.
Nutrient intake schedule is as follows to travel approximately 30 mi/day on 4,000 calories/day. The goal being a 19 day trip to eclipse the 560 mile current record by 10 miles.
Daily rations
goji berries - 80 oz. over 19 days is 112 grams/day
water - 448 oz. day over 19 days is 23 oz./day
protein - 672 grams over 19 days is 35 grams/day
oils - 192 oz. over 19 days is about 10 oz./day
bacteria - 168 grams over 19 days is about 9 grams/day
body fat - 144 oz over 19 days is about 7.5 oz./day
golden river of life/urine - any liquid out goes back in when it presents itself, period. this is, contrary to the army's belief, a cleansing process that has been practiced for thousands of years and can be read about by some crazy dude who sailed around the world and wouldn't have lived if he hadn't been drinking his own "golden river of life", as he called it.
The first 11 hours of walking would see 10 grams of berries consumed per hour. The bacteria/supergreen food would be consumed at the rate of 1 gram per hour for the first 9 hours. Hours 9 - 11 would see the 23 oz. of water, and one "emergency" or other electrolyte powder put in it. Protein/oil combo would be mixed and consumed from waking hour 11:00 - 11:30. From 11:30 - 12:00 one keeps walking to ensure good peristaltic movement through the digestive and elimination tract. Almost the whole of the caloric consumption is in the hour to half hour before sleep, just as sumo wrestlers trying to put on maximum weight do, so that the metabolism stays as slow as possibly and all energy for digestion/assimilation can go towards that process instead of taking away from it to feed the muscles used for walking.
Anybody looking to sponsor something like this let me know!
What is your best scenario jtupper?
Running plan: run between 6:00pm and 10:00am each day. Need to minimize the sweat factor.
Key clothes (besides shoes and socks): drylite hat, thigh-length tights. Don't want too much on top but if big muscles (quads) and head are warm, you'll stay warm enough with little bulk. Very little on top except for gloves and light-weight top because you'll be carrying....
Water: 1- 60oz waist camelback and 1-100 oz camelback HAWG (Holds Alot of Water and Gear). You can run with a HAWG.
Food: Meal 1 - 300 cals peanut butter pretzels and a double caffeinated GU. Meal 2 - Snickers bar+ GU. Snack - slim fast meal bar+GU. Meal 3 - Snickers or METRX bar of choice+GU. Snack - payday candy bar +GU...I figure the HAWG could carry 2 bags peanut butter pretzels, 6 Snickers, 6, paydays, 6 MetRX bars, and 24 GUs. The pretzels are light and have some protien, carbs and fat. the slimfast bars have a balance of stuff and are pretty small for 220 cals, the METrx bars are big and heavy but you can last for a ways on one of these. paydays and snickers are just good and except for more fat, have similar nutrients as energy bars. GUS (or powergel) will give you an extra 100 cals with some caffeine for a small amount of weight
Person: Hmm...given flat terrain where i'd have to say a small female runner. If it were hilly so the intensity would be higher, i'd say a man cause the woman would need more carbs not to crash. But since the pace is going to be slow and it's on flat ground, a woman could last longer over the long haul. also, even the leanest woman will have more fat to live off of than a lean man.
How far??? i have no idea!
you forgot your 3.5 grams a day of your "brainfood", and don't forget the extra weight of a lighter.
take some pussy. get about 3000 miles. thats all you need.
Legalizit -
You forgot to include a scale to measure out all of your oz and grams. Also, your spherical head thing doesn't sound realistic.
True, a small scale would be essential. The spherical head contraption doesn't sound realistic because at this point it is just an idea, and therefore isn't actually "real." It would however be quite functional. The idea is much like the indigenous people of many countries carrying water and other supplies on top of their head, only the sphere, or possibly better yet elliptical shape, would be more aerodynamic in case of winds being encountered. The straps coming down to the hands would take much less energy than occasionaly lifting an arm up to it to keep it balanced.
jtupper, you put the question out there in the first place, let us know who's winning so far and why. my mind has been running circles on different scenarios...
The head-sphere sounds aerodynamic, but it's not. It's much more efficient to place this on your body (back/front) and transfer the weight to your hips via a belt. Your body is already taking a wind load, and putting something behind/in front doesn't increase the load so long as it's not wider or oddly shaped. In fact, if done properly (i.e. parabolic shape facing wind), you can decrease the CD compared to the body alone. The sphere, in contrast, presents a marked increase in surface area, and thus an increased wind load. Of course, unless there's a lot of wind, the difference will be minimal (load increases as the square of differential wind velocity).
The pack also results in a lower center of gravity which translates to greater efficiency as the secondary stabilization muscles aren't called into play so much for balance. Now, as the average LetsRun poster doesn't carry much stuff around on top of his/her head, this is a serious consideration. Remember, specificity of training is key!
Oh, and you can cut down on the weight of your "brain food" if you stick with LSD. I think a few hundred micrograms might suffice. (Boy, now THAT paints a damn ugly picture...)
Sorry, I have not actually done it. It is meant to be an exercise in literature research, looking at sweat rates, load carriage, fluid loss and replacement, etc. and anyone who can justify his/her answer with findings in the literature gets a good grade. Depending on body size, it is hard to imagine losing less than about 8 or 10 pounds of fluid a day (some do more some would do less). Carrying that pack at first would be a major effort. The only guy I ever heard from who said he was going to try it (and would let me know how it went)was never heard from again -- still going? Probably the simplest approach to get a practical estimate would be to start with the size pack you think is reasonable and go one day to see how much you lose and have to drink and how far you get. See what % of total supplies remained, how you feel and extrapolate a finish distance.
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Jim
That is some advice i'd consider, the pack anyways. I am used to carrying stuff on my head, however, even while working out such as lifting weights or working out on an elliptical trainer. I've found that the awareness it demands helps to save energy. As for somebody else suggesting brainfood, anything foreign to the body would obviously greatly reduce efficiency, such as caffeine as an earlier poster suggested or something with strychnine (sp?) or even cannabis.