Why do the scholarship trolls have to speak their mind in a thread where the OP isn't talking about scholarships, the title itself is "Walk on" and even posted "Athletic aid not real important".
So many butt hurt runners at LR who hoped for a scholarship 4 years of HS and then discovered the hard truth first visits that there weren't that many scholarships available and they just weren't that good. Now instead of a head doc they troll LR.
This exactly. If we are just talking about walking on, its usually just down to if they dont mind carrying an extra roster spot for that class. NC state has some girls on their team right now as walk ons and coming in next year as walk ons that never (or havent yet for current seniors) broke 5 in high school. If they are good enough to walk on at NC State they are good enough for most schools id imagine (again depending on if they have the roster spot available).
No. Some teams hold much larger rosters than others. My daughter got responses from several top teams while receiving no response from average teams. Roster sizes are different and some coaches are terrible recruiters and just plain lazy.
No. Some teams hold much larger rosters than others. My daughter got responses from several top teams while receiving no response from average teams. Roster sizes are different and some coaches are terrible recruiters and just plain lazy.
I understand roster sizes are different, that's why i clarified "if they have the roster spot available". The information that a girl that is 5:01 and 10:58 in 10th grade can't walk on is incorrect. She can walk on if a roster spot is available. There isn't a team that that runner isn't good enough to walk on for, there are just teams that dont want to/cant afford taking walk ons to meets.
Many teams won't take her. My daughter is much faster and many teams did not respond to her. Several others talked to her but ended up getting faster runners. So of course there are teams where she can't walk on. Just because they have women on the team who are slower doesn't mean that they will ever take another one if they can get faster girls.
Collins ran 17:43. That is an incredible XC time. It is probably better than 4:55 for 1600. On the flip side, some girls are much better at track than XC.
Many teams won't take her. My daughter is much faster and many teams did not respond to her. Several others talked to her but ended up getting faster runners. So of course there are teams where she can't walk on. Just because they have women on the team who are slower doesn't mean that they will ever take another one if they can get faster girls.
This was literally in my first post. I'm not sure what you are arguing against. If they have an open spot they want to fill with a walk on, its fast enough. If there isn't a spot open regardless, it isn't fast enough.
its usually just down to if they dont mind carrying an extra roster spot for that class
more i think about it, the poster saying calm down, dad, is right. this is a dad dream. that explains my perceived discrepancy. no jock is shooting for being a walkon if they can help it. but dad might be living vicariously off their kid and like "my kid is D1." and be like well all else fails she'll walk on so i have my brag item.
to me the walkon obsession, sometimes it's dreamers, but often enough it's i overshot or didn't plan or something. i wasn't going to run but now i want to. i was obsessed with a school but didn't factor track team quality into it. or mom and dad told me where to go and now i want track out of college but am too slow to be recruited by the school of their choice.
part of the reason i'm like what does she want, majors, location, etc., is they control the flow and can find their level in terms of fit and recruitment as opposed to go to some school dad picked they grow to hate or are a mismatch for.
Collins ran 17:43. That is an incredible XC time. It is probably better than 4:55 for 1600. On the flip side, some girls are much better at track than XC.
no one cares about XC times on random courses. She ran 18:46 on the course that's been the NC State meet course for about a decade. Most runners from NC that go to NC state are either 50+ seconds faster on that course or are better at middle distance. In the current class there are 3 athletes from NC and they wen 17:44, 17:51 and 18:12 at the same course and the 18:12 runner is over 10 seconds faster at both the 800 and 1600
more i think about it, the poster saying calm down, dad, is right. this is a dad dream. that explains my perceived discrepancy. no jock is shooting for being a walkon if they can help it. but dad might be living vicariously off their kid and like "my kid is D1." and be like well all else fails she'll walk on so i have my brag item.
to me the walkon obsession, sometimes it's dreamers, but often enough it's i overshot or didn't plan or something. i wasn't going to run but now i want to. i was obsessed with a school but didn't factor track team quality into it. or mom and dad told me where to go and now i want track out of college but am too slow to be recruited by the school of their choice.
part of the reason i'm like what does she want, majors, location, etc., is they control the flow and can find their level in terms of fit and recruitment as opposed to go to some school dad picked they grow to hate or are a mismatch for.
Or parents are smarter now that there really aren't many full or even half scholarships being given to Freshman. Some kids because of their financial situation have limited options, maybe just scholarship only. Others I think pretty smart dad move if daughter not top 25 in country and no financial pressure, then find a better school as just a good "walk on". I bet those good division I coaches appreciate "walk ons" like that. Probably easier to cut too vs. a scholarship.
It isn't black and white. If a girl is talking to a coach starting junior year and she is good but not great, let's say 5:00/10:50, the coach tells her that if she runs 4:50/10:35, he will give her some money. He tells her to stay in touch. He has 3 open spots and he is talking to a dozen different girls. He has 1 scholarship available. He is trying to get the 3 best girls he can get for the combined scholarship. If he gets 3 girls who have run 4:52/10:38, he signs each at 1/3. The process is fluid. The 1st girl keeps talking to the coach in hope of getting a walkon spot but he tells her to keep running faster. Maybe she gets a spot in March of senior year or maybe the coach stops communicating with her because he found faster girls to walkon.
It isn't black and white. If a girl is talking to a coach starting junior year and she is good but not great, let's say 5:00/10:50, the coach tells her that if she runs 4:50/10:35, he will give her some money. He tells her to stay in touch. He has 3 open spots and he is talking to a dozen different girls. He has 1 scholarship available. He is trying to get the 3 best girls he can get for the combined scholarship. If he gets 3 girls who have run 4:52/10:38, he signs each at 1/3. The process is fluid. The 1st girl keeps talking to the coach in hope of getting a walkon spot but he tells her to keep running faster. Maybe she gets a spot in March of senior year or maybe the coach stops communicating with her because he found faster girls to walkon.
we're talking about walk ons. Why are you bringing up girls gettin 1/3 scholarships?
They are all related. I thought I explained it in simple terms. A distance coach may have 20 spots and 5 scholarships. He could have 5 on full and 15 walkons or he could have 20 on 1/4s. I gave an example of a coach who has e open spots and 1 scholarship open. He can fill those 3 spots with a full and 2 walkons or he can fill it with 3 girls on 1/3 or he can fill them with 3 walkons and hold the scholarship for next year.
My daughter is a walkon who the coach told that she will get 1/4,next year because he had no money left this year. So he essentially got all scholarship level runners as walkons while next year he may have a harder time and a slower girl may get a partial who was slower than my daughter this year. It isn't precise like tou seem to think. Teams always have slow people with a partial and fast people.who walked on. Coaches try to get the best runners for the least money.
Why would a college coach care about a walk-on's grades or any other objective measure? Coaches want people who can help build team spirit and participate in workouts with the best runners. This means that when they have a selection of walk-ons to choose from they would look at personality, willingness to play second fiddle, and the ability to take a mostly thankless role seriously.
I doubt that’s true. Walk-ons are more likely be considered as being lottery tickets. Why would they add to building team spirit and, at least initially, they won’t be able to keep up with the best runners during workouts.
Why would a college coach care about a walk-on's grades or any other objective measure? Coaches want people who can help build team spirit and participate in workouts with the best runners. This means that when they have a selection of walk-ons to choose from they would look at personality, willingness to play second fiddle, and the ability to take a mostly thankless role seriously.
I doubt that’s true. Walk-ons are more likely be considered as being lottery tickets. Why would they add to building team spirit and, at least initially, they won’t be able to keep up with the best runners during workouts.
Yeah - this one is a head scratcher or very poor troll. Of course a coach will want to know a walk on's grades grades and other objective measures. 1) If the athlete is able to get admitted without the coach's help, that saves him/her an admission spot; 2) grades are typically a good indicator of an athlete's personality, etc.
Not sure how or why this thread morphed into a discussion about scholarships or spurious assumptions that we've resigned ourselves to only walk-on offers. I was simply making a general inquiry re: opportunity without the need for athletic aid. She ain't going pro and call me crazy, but I'm a big believer in picking the school over the sport. Walk on offer at T25 school in her major vs. scholarship offer @ Nowhere U? Easy answer and fortunately, $ not an issue.