Wejo, with respect, this is why you need to stop dillydallying your remaining golden years away and start training seriously again.
If you were on Strava, you’d see Mantzy Pantz ran 120, 112, 120, and 103 mpw leading up to the race, which was the day after the 103 week. The 20k looks like a training run for Chicago.
Young made it sound kind of contrived, and he didn’t appear to be all out at the end. On the other hand, Mantz’s Strava immediately after the race (he’s changed it now) indicated how tired he was, almost didn’t finish the race, thought it might be a dehydration issue, etc. But he’s just such a tough son of a gun that he gutted it out. Maybe Young didn’t expect to be there in that situation and didn’t know how to respond.
At the same time, who cares? If they were going to run away from the field together, then it’s only a matter of who finishes first. Any of those other competitors could’ve made it a race. I do worry a little about Mantz leaving it all in training. The heat and humidity didn’t help.
Wejo, with respect, this is why you need to stop dillydallying your remaining golden years away and start training seriously again.
If you were on Strava, you’d see Mantzy Pantz ran 120, 112, 120, and 103 mpw leading up to the race, which was the day after the 103 week. The 20k looks like a training run for Chicago.
Nah.
The end of that race didn't look like it did because Mantz was tired. It looked like that because he conceded.
If there was a million dollars on the line, that finish would have looked totally different, regardless of what Mantz did in training.
There's no way he was burying himself to get to that line first.
Here's what I really don't get: One of the two athletes literally told us that they discussed this and why it would be advantageous to finish the way they did. Why wouldn't we just believe him?
3) Conspiring to fix the outcome of a sporting event can be a crime. For that and other reasons, you’d be crazy to admit to it.
Give me a break this isnt' the same as fixing a football game. No crime was had here. it was a 'what if ' discussion.
Which is literally why I wrote "FOR THAT AND OTHER REASONS."
The other reasons could include that race promoters want an honest race, sponsors of the athletes don't want them losing races on purpose, other athletes who care about the points race expect points to be accrued fairly, and so on.
I am generally with Malmo on this one. I don’t see why it is a big deal at all. There were a few times where I ran a race as a workout and I did not go all out. I had planned this beforehand. Now if there was $5000 difference between 1st and 2nd place Conner and Clayton could have even had an agreement that Clayton would share some of the difference with Conner. I don’t have a problem with it. I am not aware that there is any legal issue whatsoever. As far as Conner’s statements, that too makes sense because if I were in his shoes, I wouldn’t want to detract from Clayton’s win by saying that I could have won, which maybe was the case but I don’t know for sure. Plus if Clayton has more to gain in some broader competition, it is really just a matter of letting the one win who has most to gain. As far as integrity of competition, I always sensed that not everyone tried as hard as I usually did, and Conner Mantz is one of the most tenacious ones out there, so I have no concerns about his athletic integrity.
Now if there was $5000 difference between 1st and 2nd place Conner and Clayton could have even had an agreement that Clayton would share some of the difference with Conner. I don’t have a problem with it.
Isn't that exactly what the difference was? $9,000 down to $4,000.
Plus if Clayton has more to gain in some broader competition, it is really just a matter of letting the one win who has most to gain.
This reminds me of the infamous sweep of the podium by Mapei in the 1996 Paris-Roubaix cycling race. The three teammates established a break that wasn't going to be caught and the team director, in the team car, was reportedly on the phone with the team owner deciding who should win, or if they should let them fight it out. Two riders didn't look too pleased when the instructions were given to them that Johan Museeuw would win, almost certainly because he was the most likely to win the season-long points race (The UCI Road World Cup, which he did win comfortably).
Now if there was $5000 difference between 1st and 2nd place Conner and Clayton could have even had an agreement that Clayton would share some of the difference with Conner. I don’t have a problem with it.
Isn't that exactly what the difference was? $9,000 down to $4,000.
Malmo, I actually posted this under the LetsRun name but you don’t think two guys not battling it out at end of race is newsworthy?
None of us discussed this before we sat down to record podcast but reading Race Results Weekly and then seeing the finish we all thought it was news worthy. Surprised there was a big discussion on the runners going off course but not them possibly fixing the out come of the race or finishing together however you want to phrase it.
I’m actually open to possibility Mantz was gassed and Young just did the bare minimum to beat his training partner but am more open to that they agreed to this result. Well if that is the case then why Mantz’s comments denying it?
If they finished hand in hand and pushed Young over the line first and admitted it I don’t have as much an issue with it.
No I don't think ties are noteworthy. It used to be common. Sharing is caring.
Wejo, with respect, this is why you need to stop dillydallying your remaining golden years away and start training seriously again.
If you were on Strava, you’d see Mantzy Pantz ran 120, 112, 120, and 103 mpw leading up to the race, which was the day after the 103 week. The 20k looks like a training run for Chicago.
I could care less how many miles he ran. I'm most intrigued by the fact of what I saw didn't match what I read.
Plus if Clayton has more to gain in some broader competition, it is really just a matter of letting the one win who has most to gain.
This reminds me of the infamous sweep of the podium by Mapei in the 1996 Paris-Roubaix cycling race. The three teammates established a break that wasn't going to be caught and the team director, in the team car, was reportedly on the phone with the team owner deciding who should win, or if they should let them fight it out. Two riders didn't look too pleased when the instructions were given to them that Johan Museeuw would win, almost certainly because he was the most likely to win the season-long points race (The UCI Road World Cup, which he did win comfortably).
Idk man, then that’s on their coach. Perhaps I’m just not being cynical enough, but my best guess, and it’s just a guess, is that Mantz really did feel like sh*t, for whatever reason - heat index, dehydration, too much hard training in the legs, just an off day, whatever… But he’s one of the most mentally tough runners out there and he finishes. Maybe he felt like he owed it to the race director.
Anyway, despite the wrong turn stalling his momentum, he saw a chance to work with Young to get a break from the field, so they took it together. At the end, even if Young didn’t quite know how to handle himself and even if he felt like he was “training through” this race, he was the much fresher runner. So, he would’ve won no matter what in an “honest” race.
It ended as it should have. Nothing to see here, move along…
The finish wasn't even the worst part of this. About two miles from the finish, Young was in the process of being dropped by Zenaselassie and Mantz but then yells out "wrong way guys," and the entire field turns around to chase him down and loses the gap they just got on him. Turns out they were going the right way. Young really raced dirty in that race. Forget the finish, he should've been disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct in leading the field the wrong way to gain an advantage.