Most of them hit their seasonal peak a month or two ago to hit those low 12:40s. That shows a conscious choice that the performances are more important than medals, and I agree.
I get endless, spitting hate from a parade of losers who think 13:15 decides who's best, and whoever gainsays it must be silenced. But I won't be silenced! I'm not interested in who can get through rounds and win a sit-and-kick, but in who can run 5000 the fastest. That's still the Ethios, Kenyans, Ugandans
lol tell that to the parade of also rans from the 2010s that nobody remembers. winning the championship is what matters. it's what people remember. and it pays the bills.
your fast time doesn't mean anything if it's not a world record
Only a special sort of track nerd remembers who wins what medal in what world championships, but disregards the form lists.
I'll tell you who people remember from the 2010s: Hagos Gebrhiwet, whose first 12:40 something was at the legendary DL Paris 2012.
The point of distance track is to see who is fastest over a given distance. Not just fastest on a given day or a given race, or there wouldn't been any need to standardize the tracks and have auto timing, it could be just a rough estimate like XC.
They all seemed to kick way too hard at the bell as well; leaving nothing for the last 150m. I don't know about the others, but Kejelcha seems to do this all the time.
By doing this, they effectively act as lead out men for the eventual winner.
What did it matter? His last 4 laps were 3:56. No matter the pace he’s just better than everyone else. He has just as high a LT and VO2max as anyone else. He’s just better.
Maybe they can't beat Jacob, just like the women can't beat Kipyegon, but they can whittle the pack down to a small group so each of them will have a better chance for a medal. When there is a large pack with a lap to go you have opened up the race to guys a lot slower that otherwise would not have a chance.
When you have 2 runners who are 3:27 and 3:28. You don't run 13:15 lol
None of the 12:40-42 runners have a medal. Good job guys ! (ironic)
I don’t see them beating a 7:54 2-miler in any scenario for 5000m.
He was 7:54 in June Paris DL. I'm even starting to suspect that this year was the peak of Jakob and he is starting showing the 'irregularity' of runners that go downhill (even in his case it maybe very slow).
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Only a special sort of track nerd remembers who wins what medal in what world championships, but disregards the form lists.
I'll tell you who people remember from the 2010s: Hagos Gebrhiwet, whose first 12:40 something was at the legendary DL Paris 2012.
The point of distance track is to see who is fastest over a given distance. Not just fastest on a given day or a given race, or there wouldn't been any need to standardize the tracks and have auto timing, it could be just a rough estimate like XC.
Bad troll attempt?
Even among track nerds, only a dedicated few would remember Gebrhiwet for anything other than the elbow-fest with Paul Chelimo on the last lap of the Rio 5000m.
You know which distance runner people actually remember from the 2010s.... This guy
Both aregawi and Kejelcha proved in their diamond league races that they could make and sustain huge moves of 60 sec laps from far out to run 12:40 low, and either win or nearly win. Given the Jakob was not 100%, it’s hard to believe a similar sort of move wouldn’t have given them a very good chance of winning. Certainly better than a race that closes in 1:20 for the last 600.
what’s odd is that Ethiopians seem motivated to make those gutsy moves earlier in the season to secure their spots to worlds (since Ethiopia selects based on time, a terrible idea), but get cold feet at the actual champs. I suspect peaking early may have to do with it.
I mean they all ran 53hi-54 last laps today. They’re in good shape and still capable of running fast, but the top 4 all have better kicks than them and have shown this in back to back championships (except for Katir). They ran a 58 second to last lap but the two 62s before that off a slow pace were insufficient to kill off Jakob/Katir. Gotta hammer 59-60s from 2,000 out and they wimped out.
Maybe the Ethiopian forgot to put easy days on their pre-champ camp?
All these fast studs forced to live and train together several weeks with a dictatorship federation on top that can change its mind last minute about who gets to be a starter.
Off course they're gonna push each other too hard every single day and have too little left in the tank come race days - wouldn't you?
I don’t see them beating a 7:54 2-miler in any scenario for 5000m.
He was 7:54 in June Paris DL. I'm even starting to suspect that this year was the peak of Jakob and he is starting showing the 'irregularity' of runners that go downhill (even in his case it maybe very slow).
Nothing speaks irregularity as winning every DL meet you enter and a silver and gold WC medal. He is just all over the place!
lol tell that to the parade of also rans from the 2010s that nobody remembers. winning the championship is what matters. it's what people remember. and it pays the bills.
your fast time doesn't mean anything if it's not a world record
Only a special sort of track nerd remembers who wins what medal in what world championships, but disregards the form lists.
I'll tell you who people remember from the 2010s: Hagos Gebrhiwet, whose first 12:40 something was at the legendary DL Paris 2012.
The point of distance track is to see who is fastest over a given distance. Not just fastest on a given day or a given race, or there wouldn't been any need to standardize the tracks and have auto timing, it could be just a rough estimate like XC.
Then you have to acknowledge that Jakob as one of your "favorite" runners is the man to remember for his 2 mile WB that was more than 4.5 seconds faster than the unbeatable Daniel Komen´s time. And from 7 seconds to much more than 10 seconds faster than all time greats´ times on the distance.
As far as I can se the last 1600m was 3:54.14 for Jakob possibly equalling around 3:55.5 in the last mile. That is a really fast mile time and probably close to or even below some of the contenders PBs.
Further statistics:
Last 2000m : 4:56. 69
Last 1000m: 2:21.07
Last 800m: 1:50.65
Last 400m: 52.45
Last 4x 100m: 14.0 ; 12.25 ; 13.75 ; 12.45 These times are probably a beat off but the average is 13.13 per 100m.
CAN ANYONE DOUBLE CHECK MY CALCULATIONS WHICH A BASED ON THE OFFICIAL TIMES (BROKEN DOWN ON 100m) FROM WA.
I think a last 2000m, 1600m, 1000m, 800m and 400m like this can only be done by real top combined middle and long distance runners so no surprise that the Ethiopian diesel engines couldn´t compete.
I think their finishes would have won many championships medals, including golds, in the past but not with the current top runners.
Mo Farah said that you had to be ready to finish in a sub 2:25 for the last 1000m. To day it is rather sub 2:22.
As far as I can se the last 1600m was 3:54.14 for Jakob possibly equalling around 3:55.5 in the last mile. That is a really fast mile time and probably close to or even below some of the contenders PBs.
Further statistics:
Last 2000m : 4:56. 69
Last 1000m: 2:21.07
Last 800m: 1:50.65
Last 400m: 52.45
Last 4x 100m: 14.0 ; 12.25 ; 13.75 ; 12.45 These times are probably a beat off but the average is 13.13 per 100m.
CAN ANYONE DOUBLE CHECK MY CALCULATIONS WHICH A BASED ON THE OFFICIAL TIMES (BROKEN DOWN ON 100m) FROM WA.
I think a last 2000m, 1600m, 1000m, 800m and 400m like this can only be done by real top combined middle and long distance runners so no surprise that the Ethiopian diesel engines couldn´t compete.
I think their finishes would have won many championships medals, including golds, in the past but not with the current top runners.
Mo Farah said that you had to be ready to finish in a sub 2:25 for the last 1000m. To day it is rather sub 2:22.
A lot of posts, but none so far have had the reason that you will never see sub 13s in a championship race like last night. The temperature was over 80 degrees. I think, based on my celsius to Fahrenheit math (like hell if I'm watching nbc), it was 86 during the 5k men's final. So there will be no time trial style racing in conditions like this. The athlete who took the lead early was punished severely for trying.
A lot of posts, but none so far have had the reason that you will never see sub 13s in a championship race like last night. The temperature was over 80 degrees. I think, based on my celsius to Fahrenheit math (like hell if I'm watching nbc), it was 86 during the 5k men's final. So there will be no time trial style racing in conditions like this. The athlete who took the lead early was punished severely for trying.
Umm, excuse me, I already mentioned the heat and humidity.
lol tell that to the parade of also rans from the 2010s that nobody remembers. winning the championship is what matters. it's what people remember. and it pays the bills.
your fast time doesn't mean anything if it's not a world record
Only a special sort of track nerd remembers who wins what medal in what world championships, but disregards the form lists.
I'll tell you who people remember from the 2010s: Hagos Gebrhiwet, whose first 12:40 something was at the legendary DL Paris 2012.
The point of distance track is to see who is fastest over a given distance. Not just fastest on a given day or a given race, or there wouldn't been any need to standardize the tracks and have auto timing, it could be just a rough estimate like XC.
it's easy to remember when you win almost all of them!
Ok genuine question, I really would like to know the answer.
Why don’t all the racers go out there are race as close to their own PB as they can? I ask my wife this, and she keeps say, “that wouldn’t work”, but why?
If you turn up, run your fastest, and still come up short, you didn’t train hard enough. There was nothing you could have done more.
Why get sucked into all these tactics? You’re either fast enough or you’re not.
Prelims have a depleting effect on ability to go out and time trial it. And they test right after the race as well
He won the 5k because he's as strong as anyone else but has more speed than that field, which incidentally is the same reason he lost the 1500 (last year and this year).
Jakob needs to accept his weaknesses and work on them if he wants to do the double next year. Claiming he has a mysterious virus which impacts his 1500 but not 5k for the third year in a row would probably become tiresome.
I agree with you on why he is superior at 5000. He is just as aerobically fit and strong as his 5k competition but he has the added advantage of being a 3:27.14 1500 guy. It is ALWAYS better to be faster at the 1500, ALL ELSE EQUAL.
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