Why is there so much hypocrisy regarding Hassan and the neglect of her NOP past as well as her suspect performances?

An "expert' on doping embarrasses themselves.

You're starting to get a picture of the sport.

There dumb, then really dumb. And then you.

Hasan will continue to je a world class clean runner. Tuohy will never go pro because she will refuse to be tested. College and high school is where the real doping takes place. And people wonder why the failure rate is so high when the athketes go to the next level.

No. We hear and read rumors, but that is about as reliable as believing the usual list of doping accusers who post the same crap here every day.

You are extremely pro-doping. It's an absolute obsession with you. Countless thousands of posts.

It takes record-breaking levels of stupidity to think that my posts on doping on the sport are because I am in favour of it.

You're obsessed to an unhealthy degree. You have very little knowledge of exercise physiology and you are a very bad influence.

Your obsessive belief in doping and lack of basic knowledge of Biology is similar to John Kellogg. Even rojo says he's an embarrassment.

Stop promoting your doping fantasies. People like you are a cancer in the sport.

I kind of understand what you are saying, but it is not quite correct. Point by point:

1) "appeared on the likely doping list" - only true for less than 50 athletes worldwide, across all WA disciplines (the list had a span of at least 6 months, so a full marathon season or more)

2) "chose to join a cheater coach" - also definitely not true for "the top 8 of every major marathon"

3) "had an unbelievable progression" - also definitely not true for "the top 8 of every major marathon"

4) "showed unworldly performances" - also definitely not true for "the top 8 of every major marathon"

5) "set world records" - also definitely not true for "the top 8 of every major marathon"

6) "trained for extended periods of time in remote Ethiopia" - hmmmm, maybe

Specifically for Kipchoge:

1) no

2) no, but he is staying in Sang's group despite their positive cases

3) yes

4) yes

5) yes

6) yes (kind of, in Kenya not in Ethiopia)

The only other athlete besides Hassan I can think of who fits all of the above is Farah. Is there anyone else?

You're speculating about runners who were outstanding from a very young age.

Do you understand the difference between a supremely gifted young athlete and yourself?

The difference is Hassan lost 15 ponds between the time she was a simple bronze medalist and the time she got double gold and became a superstar.

2015 Hassan :

2019 Hassan (her prime) :

As someone who has lost that kind of weight I can tell you it really does that much of a difference so the improvement doesn't look that crazy to me.

Ummm - did you really mean to respond to me? Where did you see me "speculating about..."?

Because most agree that NOP wasn't doping, but was rather operating in the gray area. Mo was obviously doped to the gills, but he was frequently away from the team (in Ethiopia mind you)

The GOAT sifan was fast before during and after NOP.

Correct me if I am wrong but she also had a pair of medals before even joining NOP?

How do people dope and still pass tests? I mean the people that think it's going on how do they think they are passing the tests ?

I wonder could you take a small amount of a lot of different kinds of ban substances?

I mean could you microdose with a lot of different varieties of stuff and still be able to pass tests but be able to get some sort of cumulative effect

Yes the only thing NOP helped her with was losing weight. Look at 2019 Hassan when she was with Salazar.

Don't stop with me. You have to include Howman, WADA and everyone else in antidoping.

In the Marion Jones era she and other athletes showed they could pass the tests while "glowing". The drugs were "masked". That was over twenty years ago. Athletes also know how to beat the ABP. As Howman says, doping is more sophisticated than anti-doping.

Progression 1500 m (born 01/01/93)

2013: 4:03

2014: 3:57

2015: 3:56, bronze at WC

2016: 3:57, place 5 at Olympics

2017: 3:56, bronze at WC (NOP)

2018: 3:57, age 25

2019: 3:51, double gold at WC

2020: -

2021: 3:53, double gold + bronze at Olympics, age 28

2022: -

2023: 3:55, bronze at WC (London marathon win)

5000 m: 14:59 pre-NOP, then 14:22 in 2nd NOP year at age 25, now 14:13 at age 30

Very Houlihan-esque for sure.