Shelby Houlihan 30:47 10k on the roads: Is this legal for her to do?

I don't understand why this bothers anyone if she isn't getting prize money or medals for the race.

She was proven guilty by the world doping agency. Her appeal was also denied and her ban upheld. She’s guilty. I have no problem with her competing in these backwoods races in the Middle of nowhere. She is still banned for 18 more months. She won’t let it go or move on to other avenues besides running. It’s her right to do that but it will be interesting to see her return to the pro ranks and how others receive her. I think her colleagues will shun her and being older she will get her ass whipped in races. She can’t continue to beat the drum of “I was robbed for 4 years” when she is racing pros who have to pay their mortgages. She needs to get back on the horse and steroid usage to be able To compete. She will be like Gatlin and receive another doping violation.

Wow, looks like running that beer mile helped her peak for the 10k!

If she didn't care about letsrun opinion, she wouldn't have gone to great lengths to scrub her Instagram of any opinions about her that she did not like.

When you take into consideration that elite running is a doped circus, Shelby winning in American record time is great and perfectly fitting. Good for her. Too bad they can't pop the worst of the cheaters like Jakob, Cheptegai, Hassan, Katir, etc.

You've changed my thinking! On Monday, I'm going to the local men's clinic to get a prescription for T and HGH. For good measure, I am also going to research ways to use bikes and bib mules to cheat my way to 50+ masters glory. Since no one cares, I might as well stop trying to do things the right way.

Please excuse me, my breakfast burrito is ready. It smells offal good!

yea because after injecting steroids on the sidelines while downing amphetamines on live television they receive a 4 week suspension with pay, all the while all the fans saying drugs dont make you better and its BS that they are suspended at all.

I think she would. I talked to Shalane right as this was all happening (at a local track meet where she was attending as a friend/coach of some of the athletes) and at that time she was convinced that this was some kind of huge mess-up and that Shelby was innocent. I haven't heard anything that would make me think this has changed.

I actually know several people close to the story who are full convinced Shelby is innocent. Personally, I don't know enough about the details to bet my house one way or another. What surprises me about this board is how convinced people are. I am almost never that sure about something...

But she wasn't.

I don't believe that for a second. At best you may know people who pretend that Shelby was innocent (and the nandrolone was in her fruitcake or beef or orange juice). That's all PR, especially from Shalane.

Dopers never apologize. Anyway she was as obvious a doper as you will ever see, and she got caught, but people are still defending her and claiming she is innocent. Antidoping in this sport is hopeless.

2 years into her ban, I'm over this fence sitting.

you're still not sure? Look at her progression as a runner, especially from 2018-2020. Why don't you check out the positive test (A and B) or the cascade of lies and misleading info (she didn't mention the beef burrito at the press conference, she called it a trace amount when it wasn't, she claimed not to know what nandrolone was when it's well known)

Girl who improved exponentially, who seemed to have no limit from 2018-2020 has no legitimate excuse for why a not so trace amount of a well known steroid was in her system. interesting isn't it.

Also to be clear, Ross Tucker figured out what it was. It was a nandrolone oral precursor you can order off amazon.

So as for Shalane and 'several people close to the story' which I assume are family/friends/teammates of course they are going to side with her! She's their friend, so they are going to be blindly loyal. But don't think that people in the running community who know the sport well feel the same. We know Molly Huddle, Aliphine Tuliamuk, Molly Seidel, Kara Goucher, have spoken out against her or at least stated she deserves a ban.

Random anonymous Letsrun posters know way more about whether Shelby doped or not than her coaches, training partners, rivals, friends, and family.

Well, that's kind of the problem. What we "believe" is not tied to the objective truth. We are all just guessing. I believed that these people are being sincere but you are right that I can't "know" it for sure.

I doubted it was "PR" since it wasn't being broadcast to anyone (these were just conversations with me, a nobody, and totally off the record). There was no reason for these people to be disingenuous about this. Plus they weren't all Nike people, so there was no reason for them to try to "sell this story" one way or another.

It would have been easier.

Still not at all clear that she cheated.

Why did she not take Sarms as it would have been assumed not detectable.

It's perfectly fine not to care about what people on letsrun think, but if she's disregarding what the people she's racing against think when she shows up at these races, that says a lot about her (lack of) character.

The fact that Shelby shows up at unsanctioned races where she is not welcome is poor performance on her part because she is completely dismissing the valid concerns of others, making it all about her. It shows a selfishness and self aggrandizing behavior, me me me, I have to race even though I'm banned, me me me.

When Shelby raced the beer mile the consensus for most was "who cares! it's a beer mile! is she supposed to be miserable?!"

But the competitors at the beer mile did not want her there. It might be silly to you but it was something that these women worked hard for. Two women broke the world record that day but Shelby got to brag about a "world record" on her instagram while Elizabeth Laseter faced hate and dismissiveness for standing up and expressing concerns.

Shelby is free to do whatever she wants while she is serving her ban for cheating. But if she shows up at races she deserves to face criticism.

Her coaches, training partners, rivals, friends and family probably are all aware that she doped but they are protecting her.

Again, let's not look at what the people who like her say. You have to look at the evidence from the case, all of which points to her doping.

Isn't funny then, if she admitted to doping she would be clean to race way sooner, but because she didn't she's still a doper. Glad she didn't admit to it just to get shorter suspension.

Exactly, even Travis Tygart questioned that positive test.