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2 years ago 05/16/2023 11:44am EDT

re: Mocazilla

Mocazilla wrote:
*Presumably you meant other than the GOAT of W1500m Faith K

Sorry yes. There are plenty of Kenyan runners with a similar management structure to Faith K (now in Kaptagat and with GSC). Gudaf Tsegay trains with 3/4 of the top 30 women in the World at 1500/5,000 and is distinctly better than all of them. If it was *just* drugs, there wouldn't be outliers like this.

Astro, nobody is naive to drugs being a part of the sport, but talent/health/opportunity/training are as well. So to say to every athlete who has a breakthrough -- DRUGS is somewhat lazy.

2 years ago 05/16/2023 2:59pm EDT

re: rojo

no doubt its drugs,but her progression is no more suspect than a lot of athletes from western countries who end up at that leval.She isnt doing anything other top athletes arent doing.

2 years ago 05/24/2023 9:25pm EDT

re: out of left field

I was looking through the entries of the IFAM meet in Oordegem, Belgium on Saturday and was surprised to see Chemusto's name in the 800, with an entry time of 2:06.86:

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2 years ago 05/24/2023 10:08pm EDT

re: astro

astro wrote:
If she suddenly runs 14:20, speculate to your hearts content. She is in the same boat natural talentwise as Sydney is. My projection was that going full Lance Armstrong, she could run 14:05. These chemicals are that powerful. You had to be around when hardcore epo doping entered the picture, to see a big guy like Indurain suddenly flying over the mountain passes at age 27, to understand. Or go look up the Ma's army videos. They still hold the 3000m record and their 1500 record was barely exceeded. Those were teenagers with zero running pedigree.
So I go with Occam's razor when a runner suddenly becomes world class or comes out of nowhere. Do I even blame them?
Have I been wrong? Sure. But that is based on faulty information and ridiculous algorithmic projections that turn out completely flawed. I'm perfectly coherent about what I think natural running limits are and when things are too good to be real.

No. What you do is take Tuohy as the "clean" standard and anybody faster than that must be doping. Your mask of rationality slipped completely with the Valby accusations.

2 years ago 05/25/2023 7:29am EDT

re: dummy boi

The compartmentalization of thinking that occurs here is impressive. A thread speculates about a Kenyan medal prospect as yet another top Kenyan incurs a doping violation, in a parade of doping that never ends.

Sure, the hot new prospect may medal - but we know why - and whether she medals or not a violation at some point will certainly be on the cards.

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2 years ago 05/25/2023 7:34am EDT

re: dummy boi

dummy boi wrote:
astro wrote:
If she suddenly runs 14:20, speculate to your hearts content. She is in the same boat natural talentwise as Sydney is. My projection was that going full Lance Armstrong, she could run 14:05. These chemicals are that powerful. You had to be around when hardcore epo doping entered the picture, to see a big guy like Indurain suddenly flying over the mountain passes at age 27, to understand. Or go look up the Ma's army videos. They still hold the 3000m record and their 1500 record was barely exceeded. Those were teenagers with zero running pedigree.
So I go with Occam's razor when a runner suddenly becomes world class or comes out of nowhere. Do I even blame them?
Have I been wrong? Sure. But that is based on faulty information and ridiculous algorithmic projections that turn out completely flawed. I'm perfectly coherent about what I think natural running limits are and when things are too good to be real.
No. What you do is take Tuohy as the "clean" standard and anybody faster than that must be doping. Your mask of rationality slipped completely with the Valby accusations.

It isn't necessarily the time itself - you are well-named "dummy boi" - but coming out of nowhere to achieve it.

2 years ago 05/25/2023 7:41am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
astro wrote:
I mean, if only there was something out there, some magic pill, that can turn mules into racehorses, that can take a single day classics winner and turn them into a 7 time TDF winner, that could take some nondescript teenaged runners from China and overnight turn them into worldbeaters that still hold WRs over 30 years later. If only we knew what it could be. Anyway, rant over.
Lot of runners who could take drugs. Why is she the only one making the jump? Sure drugs might be part of any explanation, but it’s unlikely to be the only reason here.

Oh, come on. Huge suspicious improvements. Who cares if there are other reasons if drugs are in the mix?

2 years ago 05/25/2023 9:00am EDT

re: cleansportfan

She is about to turn 25 and suddenly drops 5 seconds from 800m and 15 seconds from 1500m to run 4:01 at altitude? She ran that final lap too easily.

Someone mentioned she ran a 2:01 recently. She had zero signs of any speed before this season, prior PB 2:06. Would not even qualify for NCAA finals.

2 years ago 05/25/2023 10:42am EDT

re: cleansportfan

cleansportfan wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Lot of runners who could take drugs. Why is she the only one making the jump? Sure drugs might be part of any explanation, but it’s unlikely to be the only reason here.
Oh, come on. Huge suspicious improvements. Who cares if there are other reasons if drugs are in the mix?

I guess it's ok for some if a runner is only "partly-doped" - whatever that means. It's a bit like only "partly" losing one's virginity.

2 years ago 05/25/2023 10:44am EDT

re: cleansportfan

cleansportfan wrote:
She is about to turn 25 and suddenly drops 5 seconds from 800m and 15 seconds from 1500m to run 4:01 at altitude? She ran that final lap too easily.
Someone mentioned she ran a 2:01 recently. She had zero signs of any speed before this season, prior PB 2:06. Would not even qualify for NCAA finals.

In any other country that improvement would raise red flags, but in Kenya it's hitting the jackpot.

2 years ago 05/25/2023 10:46am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
cleansportfan wrote:
She is about to turn 25 and suddenly drops 5 seconds from 800m and 15 seconds from 1500m to run 4:01 at altitude? She ran that final lap too easily.
Someone mentioned she ran a 2:01 recently. She had zero signs of any speed before this season, prior PB 2:06. Would not even qualify for NCAA finals.
In any other country that improvement would raise red flags, but in Kenya it's hitting the jackpot.

She is from Uganda, moran.

2 years ago 05/25/2023 10:49pm EDT

re: itxoy

itxoy wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
In any other country that improvement would raise red flags, but in Kenya it's hitting the jackpot.
She is from Uganda, moran.

Thanks for the correction. They don't dope in other parts of Africa?

2 years ago 08/04/2023 8:15am EDT

re: out of left field

Only Thoughtsleader and Hoad defended her here.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 9:05am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Mocazilla wrote:
*Presumably you meant other than the GOAT of W1500m Faith K
Sorry yes. There are plenty of Kenyan runners with a similar management structure to Faith K (now in Kaptagat and with GSC). Gudaf Tsegay trains with 3/4 of the top 30 women in the World at 1500/5,000 and is distinctly better than all of them. If it was *just* drugs, there wouldn't be outliers like this.
Astro, nobody is naive to drugs being a part of the sport, but talent/health/opportunity/training are as well. So to say to every athlete who has a breakthrough -- DRUGS is somewhat lazy.

Well, this comment sure didn’t age well.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 9:07am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
You should reach out to Global Sports Communications:
Link:www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/magazines/sco...
She’s in the Cheptegei group and it seems like they knew something big was coming based on Ruiters comments

It’s concerning that she’s in cheptegei’s group. If you’ve spent significant time in east Africa, you’ll know that women there are subservient. She did not do this on her own.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 9:12am EDT

re: Astro was right

Astro was right wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Sorry yes. There are plenty of Kenyan runners with a similar management structure to Faith K (now in Kaptagat and with GSC). Gudaf Tsegay trains with 3/4 of the top 30 women in the World at 1500/5,000 and is distinctly better than all of them. If it was *just* drugs, there wouldn't be outliers like this.
Astro, nobody is naive to drugs being a part of the sport, but talent/health/opportunity/training are as well. So to say to every athlete who has a breakthrough -- DRUGS is somewhat lazy.
Well, this comment sure didn’t age well.

I was open to her doping in this thread. I just noted that it’s lazy to say every breakthrough is doping OR that doping explains every difference in speed. In this case obviously doping is part of her big improvement.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 9:12am EDT

re: Astro was right

Astro was right wrote:
It’s concerning that she’s in cheptegei’s group. If you’ve spent significant time in east Africa, you’ll know that women there are subservient. She did not do this on her own.

Maybe but she literally got kicked out of the group in the past for doing her own thing.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 9:24am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
The compartmentalization of thinking that occurs here is impressive. A thread speculates about a Kenyan medal prospect as yet another top Kenyan incurs a doping violation, in a parade of doping that never ends.
Sure, the hot new prospect may medal - but we know why - and whether she medals or not a violation at some point will certainly be on the cards.

Bingo. Ugandans dope, too.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 9:25am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
itxoy wrote:
She is from Uganda, moran.
Thanks for the correction. They don't dope in other parts of Africa?

Apparently, they do.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 9:26am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The compartmentalization of thinking that occurs here is impressive. A thread speculates about a Kenyan medal prospect as yet another top Kenyan incurs a doping violation, in a parade of doping that never ends.
Sure, the hot new prospect may medal - but we know why - and whether she medals or not a violation at some point will certainly be on the cards.
Bingo. Ugandans dope, too.

So? New Zealanders dope, too.

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