My numbers were borderline high, a clean diet and exercise wasn't quite working, my father died of heart problems, so I opted for a statin. I'm on the lowest dose (5mg?), and my numbers dropped way down. Seemingly no side effects. With insurance, it costs me $0.00.
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an actual doctor wrote:
Too many junk miles wrote:
How so?
It's perfectly natural and the human body is designed to run that way.
i already mentioned the increase in ldl in my comment above. im not sure the above posters reasons for calling that diet crap, but in general keto diets arent sustainable and otherwise provide no health benefit compared to a calorically equal diet with carbs. the human body is also not “designed” and i’d say physiologically that doesnt make sense - given the human bodies ability to store glycogen for energy id say its clear any “design” involves carbs as a great fuel, especially for runners.
I see the word "design" ruffles your feathers. The human body evolved the ability to run on fat in the absence of carbohydrate.
If you have high cholesterol and you enter ketosis your body will quite literally eat the cholesterol out of your blood stream.
What do you think happens when the human body runs out of glycogen? If the human body couldn't operate on anything but glycogen humanity would have died off the first time humans had a dry spell hunting or the crops failed.
Ketones are actually great for endurance sports.
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Food is good wrote:
High cholesterol runs big in my family. So it's been on my radar that it could catch up with me. So for the past several years, i've put flax meal and chia seeds on cereal and yogurt that i eat almost daily. I eat a ton of trail mix. Ya, it has chocolate in it and is high in calories but nuts are supposed to be good for this. i also cook with a lot of garlic. I still eat butter, red meat, and other saturated fats. i'm more about adding than subtracting.
so far, i still have good numbers
Vegetable oils might be better than butter or lard, but cooking spray is better.
Actually, it's even better to steam or boil your food instead of frying it. Then you don't even have to use cooking spray.
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I went hiking today and had 5 slices of pizza after. Should I not have the other 3 slices later tonight?
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Yes, my total cholesterol was at 199 about three decades ago, the highest it had ever been, down to 123 in six weeks, by changing to a diet of white rice and fruit.
I continued the diet with portion control for four months and went from 170 to 133 pounds.
Thereafter I continued the diet without the strict portion control and kept my weight at 143 for another four years.
Since then I have kept a similar diet based on similar amounts of complex carbohydrates, protein and no excess fat.
My total cholesterol, blood pressure and resting heart rate have continued to be low.
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Too many junk miles wrote:
an actual doctor wrote:
i already mentioned the increase in ldl in my comment above. im not sure the above posters reasons for calling that diet crap, but in general keto diets arent sustainable and otherwise provide no health benefit compared to a calorically equal diet with carbs. the human body is also not “designed” and i’d say physiologically that doesnt make sense - given the human bodies ability to store glycogen for energy id say its clear any “design” involves carbs as a great fuel, especially for runners.
I see the word "design" ruffles your feathers. The human body evolved the ability to run on fat in the absence of carbohydrate.
If you have high cholesterol and you enter ketosis your body will quite literally eat the cholesterol out of your blood stream.
What do you think happens when the human body runs out of glycogen? If the human body couldn't operate on anything but glycogen humanity would have died off the first time humans had a dry spell hunting or the crops failed.
Ketones are actually great for endurance sports.
sure, the human body can run on fat; doesnt mean its ideal or preferred. our body unfortunately does not simply “eat the cholesterol out of the blood stream” on a keto diet either- at least not for everyone. there are studies that show that ldl increases on low carb, high fat keto diets - here is a small rct involving young women:a case series here showed similar increases:theres an older study i recall where there were reductions in ldl on a keto diet but the saturated fats were controlled below 20% or so, so may be hard to tell if ketosis is the major factor there or reduction in sat fat.
studies on nutrition have inherent flaws so its hard to make solid conclusions but it would seem keto is not a simple answer for ldl and may significantly worsen it.
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You can cycle into a ketogenic diet a couple of times a year. Being in ketosis cleans up the blood nicely.
This is a really bad idea. Look into the Dean Ornish, M.D. website . I would also encourage you to view the documentary Game Changers you can find it on YouTube. Good luck to you and wishing you good health.
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an actual doctor wrote:
Too many junk miles wrote:
I see the word "design" ruffles your feathers. The human body evolved the ability to run on fat in the absence of carbohydrate.
If you have high cholesterol and you enter ketosis your body will quite literally eat the cholesterol out of your blood stream.
What do you think happens when the human body runs out of glycogen? If the human body couldn't operate on anything but glycogen humanity would have died off the first time humans had a dry spell hunting or the crops failed.
Ketones are actually great for endurance sports.
sure, the human body can run on fat; doesnt mean its ideal or preferred. our body unfortunately does not simply “eat the cholesterol out of the blood stream” on a keto diet either- at least not for everyone. there are studies that show that ldl increases on low carb, high fat keto diets - here is a small rct involving young women:a case series here showed similar increases:theres an older study i recall where there were reductions in ldl on a keto diet but the saturated fats were controlled below 20% or so, so may be hard to tell if ketosis is the major factor there or reduction in sat fat.
studies on nutrition have inherent flaws so its hard to make solid conclusions but it would seem keto is not a simple answer for ldl and may significantly worsen it.
I didn't say it was ideal I said it was helpful to lower cholesterol if you go into ketosis a few times a year. Science supports this.
"Most research suggests that keto diets can help lower total cholesterol and LDL (bad) cholesterol levels while raising HDL (good) cholesterol levels."
A 17 person study which takes the subjects' word on what they're eating isn't very useful.
I don't see anything in the 4 week study which indicates that any of the subjects were actually in ketosis. Simply reducing your carbs to 20-50g a day won't put most people into ketosis particularly people who are self reporting their carb intake and undercount their carbs.
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48 wrote:
You can cycle into a ketogenic diet a couple of times a year. Being in ketosis cleans up the blood nicely.
This is a really bad idea. Look into the Dean Ornish, M.D. website . I would also encourage you to view the documentary Game Changers you can find it on YouTube. Good luck to you and wishing you good health.
I'd argue the vegan diet which was unsustainable on 90% of the habitable earth prior to the invention of airplanes and global shipping is a worse idea than cycling keto every now and again.
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"Most research suggests that keto diets can help lower total cholesterol and LDL (bad) cholesterol levels while raising HDL (good) cholesterol levels."
lol this article provides 3 studies to support its claim- the first of which does not even support the claim. the others are equally small to the ones i showed and have similar limitations to the ones you pointed out in these other studies. my point is, keto is not an easy answer and for my off my patients they can just reduce saturated fats, eat a balanced diet that is calorie controlled, and consider a stain if needed. i’ve done keto myself and it sucks.
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an actual doctor wrote:
"Most research suggests that keto diets can help lower total cholesterol and LDL (bad) cholesterol levels while raising HDL (good) cholesterol levels."
lol this article provides 3 studies to support its claim- the first of which does not even support the claim. the others are equally small to the ones i showed and have similar limitations to the ones you pointed out in these other studies. my point is, keto is not an easy answer and for my off my patients they can just reduce saturated fats, eat a balanced diet that is calorie controlled, and consider a stain if needed. i’ve done keto myself and it sucks.
You personally disliking keto and having limited knowledge of how it works isn't very convincing.
I've done keto and it works great.
If you're in a caloric deficit your cholesterol will plummet while in ketosis.
If you're not in a deficit and you're putting sticks of butter in your coffee your cholesterol will go up.
Keto is great for weight loss and great for lowering bad cholesterol and triglycerides.
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game changers is the biggest laughable giant crock of sh*t piece of propaganda ever made, I mean go ahead and watch it, I did but please no one take it seriously. i never thought anyone would take it seriously but I was wrong
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i know plenty about how keto works- in med school i had a phd tell me how keto diets induce fat loss regardless of calorie intake. that was idiotic and had to be debunked- so im well read on the topic. im also a former runner and later bodybuilder who has experimented with every diet there is. my best running performances and leanest physiques all involved carbs (although, i do employ carb cycling and low carb at times). so yea, thanks- i know the many limitations of keto which are numerous- the biggest being that most people cannot or will not adhere to them, even compared to other diets, as they are insanely restrictive.
there just isnt any reason to be on a keto diet unless you just want to. there is no evidence keto is superior for weight loss, ldl reduction, or much else compared to a balanced, calorie equivalent diet. you even admit that the caloric deficit is what matters lol
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Rice has lots of arsenic. Eat that only 1 or 2 times a week
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Lowered my LDL a lot by going whole food plant based. It's now at the bottom end of "normal," almost below normal. HDL is middle of the normal range. Alcohol raises your HDL, I'm sure my HDL would be a bit lower if I gave that up but life is short and I enjoy beer.
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an actual doctor wrote:
i know plenty about how keto works- in med school i had a phd tell me how keto diets induce fat loss regardless of calorie intake. that was idiotic and had to be debunked- so im well read on the topic. im also a former runner and later bodybuilder who has experimented with every diet there is. my best running performances and leanest physiques all involved carbs (although, i do employ carb cycling and low carb at times). so yea, thanks- i know the many limitations of keto which are numerous- the biggest being that most people cannot or will not adhere to them, even compared to other diets, as they are insanely restrictive.
there just isnt any reason to be on a keto diet unless you just want to. there is no evidence keto is superior for weight loss, ldl reduction, or much else compared to a balanced, calorie equivalent diet. you even admit that the caloric deficit is what matters lol
The lack of hunger benefits alone make keto worthwhile for weight loss. In a caloric deficit on keto you don't get hungry. On a normal diet in a caloric deficit you will get hungry.
Keto requires less will power which is what causes most diets to fail.
Keto causes the body to purge a lot of water weight which motivates people to keep going.
Keto has many benefits.
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Sunlight exposure reduces cholesterol. This is because our body uses cholesterol to produce vitamin D when exposed to UV light
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an actual doctor wrote:
i know plenty about how keto works- in med school i had a phd tell me how keto diets induce fat loss regardless of calorie intake. that was idiotic and had to be debunked- so im well read on the topic. im also a former runner and later bodybuilder who has experimented with every diet there is. my best running performances and leanest physiques all involved carbs (although, i do employ carb cycling and low carb at times). so yea, thanks- i know the many limitations of keto which are numerous- the biggest being that most people cannot or will not adhere to them, even compared to other diets, as they are insanely restrictive.
there just isnt any reason to be on a keto diet unless you just want to. there is no evidence keto is superior for weight loss, ldl reduction, or much else compared to a balanced, calorie equivalent diet. you even admit that the caloric deficit is what matters lol
If you knew how keto works you wouldn't claim there's no benefit to using it.
Keto isn't nearly as restrictive as it used to be with most stores offering keto friendly breads and snacks now.
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Too many junk miles wrote:
an actual doctor wrote:
Keto keto keto
Keto keto keto
Thanks to the two of you for hijacking what started out as a nice thread.
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sorry, these keto and carnivore zealots annoy me with their stupid takes, so i like to argue. i’m done lol
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