That thread was pretty weak. I follow Ross and agree with his trans sports takes, but this analogy fell flat. I am a liberal who believes in accepting trans people as a general matter, but preserving men's and women's sports based on genetics (DSD athletes are a separate discussion).
You don't need a tortured metaphor to know that if you're dividing men and women because men are generally stronger, the existence of strong women and weak men does not undermine the reason for separate divisions.
I will offer some advice here. When someone is making a point which you agree with already, it is easy to reflexively assume they used logic in an impeccable manner and refer to it as an epic takedown. But it is important to recognize that if a similarly flawed analogy came from a vantage point you disagree with, you could more readily see its flaws and refute it. So there are some very strong arguments why biological males should not be competing against women in sports, but someone jumping in a car in a foot race to secure an advantage is not one of them. If that were the case, one could use Rosie Ruiz as ammunition in such an argument, but it is so flawed that the intelligent would be reticent to employ it. Probably a better analogy would involve MOST sports where there is an age group, so one wouldn’t allow 18 year old males, for example, to compete in a league that is designated for 12 year old males, because on average, in most sports, the 18 year olds have an advantage. The same advantage, on average, would be held by the average biological male in a women’s league.
Rojo said nothing anti-trans. Telling biological men to stay in there lane is not anti-trans, fool.
Correct. I'm now deleting any post calling my post anti-trans as "factually incorrect." I'm totally for trans athletes commpeting in sports - just in the sex of their birth.
The fake news needs to stop. Look at all of these lies for headlines that just came out today.
Rojo has consistently been anti trans. A few years ago...he was posting misleading information in the thread about the CT girls. He was caught lying and never owned up to it.
While I've been deleting other posts calling me anti trans as being factually incorrect, I'll let this one stand so I can respond. What are you talking about? I wasn't caught posting anything misleading.
The Hill's headline, "House Republicans pass bill to ban transgender women, girls from school sports teams" is a flat out lie.
Oh please. stop with the semantics. You are against trans women competing in sports. Saying they should compete against biological males is just an attempt to hide your true bigotry. The headline is correct. Trans women don't want to compete against biological males anymore than than trans women don't want to be required to wear jeans and ties. The bill and Tucker's bS arguement is really about not allowing trans women to compete AT ALL. You know it...the GOP Knows it. To call if 'fake news" is also stupid. You know what the intent is and you know what the intent of your post is. At least have balls to stand by it.
Rojo has consistently been anti trans. A few years ago...he was posting misleading information in the thread about the CT girls. He was caught lying and never owned up to it.
While I've been deleting other posts calling me anti trans as being factually incorrect, I'll let this one stand so I can respond. What are you talking about? I wasn't caught posting anything misleading.
1) you are anti-trans. Here's why, you can't say you support a group then dictate which rights they have and which they don't. It's like saying you aren't races and supports African American's right to vote...but not in presidential elections. Without a full complement of rights, it's meaningless support.
2) you either intentionally misrepresented what was said in an article. I doubt you remember because you were too busy trying to be a bigot. When I called you out on it...you REFUSED to change the article you wrote about it. (I have the emails)
10x the level of testosterone during puberty compared to the other sex without it is very much like driving a car vs jogging when you start comparing the average female to the average male both in biology and anatomical changes post puberty.
Age Male (in ng/dl) Female (in ng/dl)
7–10 years old 1.80 to 5.68 2.69 to 10.29 13–17 years old 208.08 to 496.58 16.72 to 31.55
Oh, I agree that trans women competing against cis women isn’t a level playing field.
I just think the comparison to a car is rather absurd. One can make the case a lot more effectively.
Rojo has consistently been anti trans. A few years ago...he was posting misleading information in the thread about the CT girls. He was caught lying and never owned up to it.
While I've been deleting other posts calling me anti trans as being factually incorrect, I'll let this one stand so I can respond. What are you talking about? I wasn't caught posting anything misleading.
You may not personally be anti-trans, but you know full well you post content that inflames anti-trans rhetoric, and not just limited to competition. This thread being one of many.
Is he basing his argument on a false notion that people who support trans athletes competing in their gender are also in favor of athletes using cars in races? If so
No, he isn’t. Since your introductory question is answered in the negative we can ignore the contingent remainder of your post.
1) you are anti-trans. Here's why, you can't say you support a group then dictate which rights they have and which they don't. It's like saying you aren't races and supports African American's right to vote...but not in presidential elections. Without a full complement of rights, it's meaningless support.
I agree, afds! To give all athletes a full complement of rights, cisgender men must be allowed to compete in women’s races if they want to.
These responses, along with 'inclusivity' are simply annoying at this point. Please admit that the vast majority of people are not anti-transgender and don't want to exclude transgender individuals from sports. Transgender people can absolutely still fully participate in sports- they just have to compete in the category that aligns with their biological sex. If they don't feel comfortable competing according to their sex, then we can support them in embracing who they are. If you truly want people to embrace who they are- then we should help people feel confident identifying/presenting as a women while still competing against biological males- because that most accurately represents who they are.
Trans-activists may unintentionally be making things worse. The message told to transgendered individuals- particularly youth- is that if your sport/state doesn't allow you to compete in a category that doesn't align with your biological sex, then your sport/state hates you and doesn't want you to compete at all. But that is a lie! You still have as much opportunity as anyone else to compete and do the sport you love. So do it!! Identify and present yourself however you feel most comfortable and train/compete as hard as you can in the category that represents your biological sex! Show people that "biological males in sports" can look, act, and present in all different ways, but can still compete and honor the spirit of sports just as well. If people give you crap because of how you look or express yourself, screw them, and hopefully there are coaches, other runners/players, etc that can support you and put those people in their place.
*If, however, a biological male was prevented from competing against other males because that person identified as a women and presented as such, then that would absolutely be anti-trans and I would condemn that.
Rojo using the transgender controversy to generate more page view counts?
Business as usual.
I plead guilty to that. I always say I'm trying to make a boring sport interesting or entertain people who are bored at work.
But this issue really bothers me a great deal. And I found this thread to be fascinating. When I first read it, I thought it was so stupid. We have to explain why a car can't go into a running race? Yes we do. A biological man should not be in the biological women's sports category no matter how fast or slow they are. Full stop.
Liberals loves the trans in women's sports distraction. Do they really believe in the stuff they're propagating? Maybe a few of them and they certainly have the support of idiots. This topic is an astutely derived distraction for the institution to perpetuate the obedience of their slave citizens. Now of course, the real victims, biological women in sports are ignored as they are a small demographic and the left can scream under the guise of bigotry and oppression of the trans community as their illogical counter argument. But altogether, this distinct distraction enables and perpetuates the weakening of society, the attack on strong independent thinkers that are a threat to the institution. The institution intends to create a society of generally losers because these people are the exact demographic which is desperate and reliant on the government, culminating in the most important fact that they are obedient and bound to the rules of the institution rather than a threat to overthrow them like strong independent thinking men would be. All a numbers game for the institution. They are incredibly meticulous in their schemes. The vats majority get distracted. It's time to wake up or be a slave or a loser.
While I've been deleting other posts calling me anti trans as being factually incorrect, I'll let this one stand so I can respond. What are you talking about? I wasn't caught posting anything misleading.
1) you are anti-trans. Here's why, you can't say you support a group then dictate which rights they have and which they don't. It's like saying you aren't races and supports African American's right to vote...but not in presidential elections. Without a full complement of rights, it's meaningless support.
2) you either intentionally misrepresented what was said in an article. I doubt you remember because you were too busy trying to be a bigot. When I called you out on it...you REFUSED to change the article you wrote about it. (I have the emails)
Your analogy isn't valid. An African an american voting doesn't prevent a white person voting. They still get to vote. A biological male competing in women's sport does prevent a biological female from competing (and/or finishing higher).
