Clean. His gift was obviously that perfectly balanced running stride which was a genetic gift.
To those who stupidly think he doped, what age did he begin doping?
Eight-hundred meters is correlated more to 400m performance than 1500m performance. All 400m gold medalists, Olympics & W.C. since 1960 have been (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m guys or guys capable of (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m. Since 1960, some 800m gold medalists have been 3:42 plus 1500m men and some have been sub-3:32 1500m men. At age 14, S Coe was a 56.xx 400m guy (golf clap). A fine time. Faster 400m than most on here but, you know. By age 22, S Coe was a 46.xx 400m man. He was very thin in 1979 at age 22. That type of improvement does occur but usually not. When males go from 56.xx 400m to 46.xx 400m from age 14 to 22, they usually are strong men. S Coe reminds me of the women, 1976 & 1980 Olympics from then East Germany, then Soviet Union and satellite nations of then Soviet Union from 1976 & 1980. To directly answer your question: Sometime after age 13 but before age 22.
Do you also believe that Cruz doped? He almost beat Coe's WR 3 times in 1984, just three years later, and came within 4/100ths of a second, despite being tired from his Olympic endeavors. If he hadn't developed injury problems by 1985, he surely would have ran low 1:41 or 1:40. This is the same Cruz who almost got kicked out of Seoul for correctly pointing out that Flo Jo was juiced to the gills. Perhaps you think Cruz had the 'right color genes' to run 1:41 without doping?
Born in 1956 in Fulham, west London, into a comfortable middle-class family who moved to Sheffield when he was very young, Coe did not ...
He was fairly privileged compared to Ovett, Cram, and Peter Elliott, but pretty par for the course in British athletics history. Didn't he fail his 11+ exam and attend a Comprehensive?
Cram, Ovett and Coe were absolutely all doped. The UK of thd late 70s and 80s had an organised doping programme in middle distance comparable to East Germany (where they likely got theur inspiration).
Some refer to the 90s as the EPO era of middle D but the 80s were way worse because of England, and EPO was already available.
Eight-hundred meters is correlated more to 400m performance than 1500m performance. All 400m gold medalists, Olympics & W.C. since 1960 have been (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m guys or guys capable of (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m. Since 1960, some 800m gold medalists have been 3:42 plus 1500m men and some have been sub-3:32 1500m men. At age 14, S Coe was a 56.xx 400m guy (golf clap). A fine time. Faster 400m than most on here but, you know. By age 22, S Coe was a 46.xx 400m man. He was very thin in 1979 at age 22. That type of improvement does occur but usually not. When males go from 56.xx 400m to 46.xx 400m from age 14 to 22, they usually are strong men. S Coe reminds me of the women, 1976 & 1980 Olympics from then East Germany, then Soviet Union and satellite nations of then Soviet Union from 1976 & 1980. To directly answer your question: Sometime after age 13 but before age 22.
Addendum: Highlighted in bold is correct but more accurately, all 800m Olympic gold medalists since 1936 have been (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m men or men capable of (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m.
All pretty much sedentary. My PRs were basically close to his at every age. And I’m positive I trained both lower volume and with lower benefit than he did.
But yet, by the time I turned 20, I knew track wasn’t for me and for him, by 22, he was a world beater.
Clean. His gift was obviously that perfectly balanced running stride which was a genetic gift.
To those who stupidly think he doped, what age did he begin doping?
Eight-hundred meters is correlated more to 400m performance than 1500m performance. All 400m gold medalists, Olympics & W.C. since 1960 have been (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m guys or guys capable of (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m. Since 1960, some 800m gold medalists have been 3:42 plus 1500m men and some have been sub-3:32 1500m men. At age 14, S Coe was a 56.xx 400m guy (golf clap). A fine time. Faster 400m than most on here but, you know. By age 22, S Coe was a 46.xx 400m man. He was very thin in 1979 at age 22. That type of improvement does occur but usually not. When males go from 56.xx 400m to 46.xx 400m from age 14 to 22, they usually are strong men. S Coe reminds me of the women, 1976 & 1980 Olympics from then East Germany, then Soviet Union and satellite nations of then Soviet Union from 1976 & 1980. To directly answer your question: Sometime after age 13 but before age 22.
Addendum: Highlighted in bold is correct but more accurately, all 800m Olympic gold medalists since 1936 have been (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m men or men capable of (44.xx to 47.xx) 400m.
All pretty much sedentary. My PRs were basically close to his at every age. And I’m positive I trained both lower volume and with lower benefit than he did.
But yet, by the time I turned 20, I knew track wasn’t for me and for him, by 22, he was a world beater.
My guess is he started doping around 19-20.
So basically, your obsessive borderline schizo obesssions both with African doping apologism and me, arose from reassuring yourself that your decision to give up track at 20 was right as you didn't have the right color genes, and any white (or Indian) who proves you wrong must have doped?
Cram, Ovett and Coe were absolutely all doped. The UK of thd late 70s and 80s had an organised doping programme in middle distance comparable to East Germany (where they likely got theur inspiration).
Some refer to the 90s as the EPO era of middle D but the 80s were way worse because of England, and EPO was already available.
Yeah, I remember watching Wendy Sly destroy Kratchilova's 800m WR and become the first woman under 1:50, and thinking that she had more muscles than Geoff Capes and Frank Bruno combined.
The first four posts in this thread were by the OP under four different names. He's an obsessive troll who even tries to impersonate my handle. Yet the mods are ok with this.
Hey Brojos - as of today, I'm seriously going to start researching paying professional trolls to counter the pro-doping apologism that you allow here.
The first four posts in this thread were by the OP under four different names. He's an obsessive troll who even tries to impersonate my handle. Yet the mods are ok with this.
Hey Brojos - as of today, I'm seriously going to start researching paying professional trolls to counter the pro-doping apologism that you allow here.
The first thread is me. And the progression thread. The brojos can check this.
All pretty much sedentary. My PRs were basically close to his at every age. And I’m positive I trained both lower volume and with lower benefit than he did.
But yet, by the time I turned 20, I knew track wasn’t for me and for him, by 22, he was a world beater.
My guess is he started doping around 19-20.
So basically, your obsessive borderline schizo obesssions both with African doping apologism and me, arose from reassuring yourself that your decision to give up track at 20 was right as you didn't have the right color genes, and any white (or Indian) who proves you wrong must have doped?
The color of my genes and mix is probably a lot closer to Coe’s that even you are lol. I am white but my great great grandfather was Indian. But that has nothing to do with everyone else’s response.
Cram, Ovett and Coe were absolutely all doped. The UK of thd late 70s and 80s had an organised doping programme in middle distance comparable to East Germany (where they likely got theur inspiration).
Some refer to the 90s as the EPO era of middle D but the 80s were way worse because of England, and EPO was already available.
Whilst I agree that doping in the UK (and USA, FRG, CAN....) was really bad in the 70s and 80s, it wasn't quite the same as the GDR & URS, which was Government backed and sponsored and athletes were effectively forced to comply.
However, was UK doping organised? Yes, to some degree it was. The federation turned a blind eye to many things, Andy Norman arranged for urine samples to be switched at meets he promoted, and agreed to not test US runners in an international match in the UK. Athletes would blatantly even consume drugs during domestic competitions.
Anyone that things this 'Golden era' of UK (and US) athletics was built on honesty and by clean athletes is deluded. The Cold War was also the Drug Wars. When I remember what I saw back then, and I look back at the footage, the articles, the magazines, I laugh that people actually thought Fatima Whitbread was clean; that Linford Christie escaped his own ban in Seoul; that Geoff Capes not only admitted to doping, but you could see him doing in on the track; that to this day Kathy Cook is lauded as a natural talent ahead of her time; that Coe, Ovett & Cram were just as naturally talented. Whatever! (and the same goes for the US too....JJK, Lewis....there's many a story on them too).
Cram, Ovett and Coe were absolutely all doped. The UK of thd late 70s and 80s had an organised doping programme in middle distance comparable to East Germany (where they likely got theur inspiration).
Some refer to the 90s as the EPO era of middle D but the 80s were way worse because of England, and EPO was already available.
Whilst I agree that doping in the UK (and USA, FRG, CAN....) was really bad in the 70s and 80s, it wasn't quite the same as the GDR & URS, which was Government backed and sponsored and athletes were effectively forced to comply.
However, was UK doping organised? Yes, to some degree it was. The federation turned a blind eye to many things, Andy Norman arranged for urine samples to be switched at meets he promoted, and agreed to not test US runners in an international match in the UK. Athletes would blatantly even consume drugs during domestic competitions.
Anyone that things this 'Golden era' of UK (and US) athletics was built on honesty and by clean athletes is deluded. The Cold War was also the Drug Wars. When I remember what I saw back then, and I look back at the footage, the articles, the magazines, I laugh that people actually thought Fatima Whitbread was clean; that Linford Christie escaped his own ban in Seoul; that Geoff Capes not only admitted to doping, but you could see him doing in on the track; that to this day Kathy Cook is lauded as a natural talent ahead of her time; that Coe, Ovett & Cram were just as naturally talented. Whatever! (and the same goes for the US too....JJK, Lewis....there's many a story on them too).
What evidence do you have that Kathy Cook was doping? Because she ran fast? Having lived through the last five decades, I find it hard to believe that British Middle distance runners were doping like the GDR in the 70's, but the 90's guys were so much more virtuous they appeared not to indulge in EPO when it was legal amd then no testing for it. A couple of obviously doped sprinters and javelin throwers doesn't cut it for me.
The first four posts in this thread were by the OP under four different names.
Yes,only one letsrun poster sees Coe critical. And all those phantasie posts about Coe, Ovett, Crammy and the steel worker in threads you post are from 10 different people.
Did Coe dope? Nobody here knows the answer. I strongly believe he did. For you it's a certainty that under current conditions (shoes, tracks, pacemaker, wavelights) he could have run 1:40 and 3:26 clean and the natural limit for Kenyans is 3:35.