Guy at my running club who has never run under 19:40. He's attempted that 15-20 times. Yet on the treadmill he "runs" 18:00 (and posts it to strava of course). Treadmill running is significantly easier he will never run that time on the road even with all the drugs in the world.
i've found it harder. maybe his treadmill isn't calibrated properly.
Guy at my running club who has never run under 19:40. He's attempted that 15-20 times. Yet on the treadmill he "runs" 18:00 (and posts it to strava of course). Treadmill running is significantly easier he will never run that time on the road even with all the drugs in the world.
i've found it harder. maybe his treadmill isn't calibrated properly.
This is what I would guess. The difference of effort to pace on a treadmill is definitely there, but there’s no way it’s handing you 30 seconds a mile. There are plenty of ways to make a treadmill say you did better than you really did too. There’s the “put my arms on the handles and make myself weigh 20 lbs less” I see all the time in public gyms, and then also “hopping off and taking a quick breather while the belt is still running”.
The ground is moving forward - you don't have to do much other than your legs. There's no air resistance. You don't burn as much calories as outdoor running.
Your legs at doing the exact same type of work on a treadmill as they do outside. The ground is spinning at 1,000 mph and moving through space at nearly 70,000 mph when you run outside. The only thing that matters is the running surface movement relative to your body.
Treadmills are great tools for training. But they're just tools. The speed you can run on a treadmill is different from what you can run outside. Who cares...just run based on effort.
That's stupid - you don't know what you're talking about. Treadmill running is like running in place - you just lift your feet up as the surface moves below you. With outdoor running you're pushing off the ground with each step. And when you encounter hills or inclines, you have to increase your intensity, pump the legs more & focus on form in order to maintain your set pace.
I don't why I'm explaining this to you - if you're a "real runner" you should know better.
The difference I get from running outdoors vs indoors on a treadmill is like night & day. Running into different elements of heat, cold, wind, rain, etc, is also rewarding as these could be some of the conditions you could find yourself racing in.
Man was made to run outdoors - not on a treadmill (wow...who would have thought).
Treadmill running has it's place for the non-competitive, recreational, fitness-type runners who want a controlled environment with the just right temp & no wind, rain, snow, etc & no rugged terrain. Lol.
Your legs at doing the exact same type of work on a treadmill as they do outside. The ground is spinning at 1,000 mph and moving through space at nearly 70,000 mph when you run outside. The only thing that matters is the running surface movement relative to your body.
Treadmills are great tools for training. But they're just tools. The speed you can run on a treadmill is different from what you can run outside. Who cares...just run based on effort.
That's stupid - you don't know what you're talking about. Treadmill running is like running in place - you just lift your feet up as the surface moves below you. With outdoor running you're pushing off the ground with each step. And when you encounter hills or inclines, you have to increase your intensity, pump the legs more & focus on form in order to maintain your set pace.
I don't why I'm explaining this to you - if you're a "real runner" you should know better.
The difference I get from running outdoors vs indoors on a treadmill is like night & day. Running into different elements of heat, cold, wind, rain, etc, is also rewarding as these could be some of the conditions you could find yourself racing in.
Man was made to run outdoors - not on a treadmill (wow...who would have thought).
Treadmill running has it's place for the non-competitive, recreational, fitness-type runners who want a controlled environment with the just right temp & no wind, rain, snow, etc & no rugged terrain. Lol.
Follow any pro on Strava or Instagram and you will see them on the treadmill all the time. How does that fit in with your absurd theory that it is not for "real runners"?
If you consider cooling, a calibrated treadmill and air resistance (%grade) for running on a treadmill, running outdoor and indoor creates about the same HR/effort.
I'm 61 & done competing but we didn't use treadmills back in my day.
Well, yeah, treadmills weren't very good back then.
Go over to the over 50 grandmasters thread on this site & ask those studs if they were primarily training on treadmills back in the day.
Well, yeah, treadmills weren't very good back then.
Ask them if they think treadmill running can provide the same benefits as outdoor running.
Pretty much everyone here says something along the lines of "treadmills are useful tools but aren't exactly the same as running outside."
That's my position & I'm sticking to it!
Well, your position is wrong.
I use a treadmill once or twice a week during the winter. I like to get some steady/slow tempo runs in on them when I know I might struggle to finish a run outside because it's cold and dark and I'm tired. I sweat so much and get so hot on there that I actually run a bit slower than my usual outdoor pace, I just use my HR as a general guideline for how hard I'm working.
That's stupid - you don't know what you're talking about. Treadmill running is like running in place - you just lift your feet up as the surface moves below you. With outdoor running you're pushing off the ground with each step. And when you encounter hills or inclines, you have to increase your intensity, pump the legs more & focus on form in order to maintain your set pace.
I don't why I'm explaining this to you - if you're a "real runner" you should know better.
The difference I get from running outdoors vs indoors on a treadmill is like night & day. Running into different elements of heat, cold, wind, rain, etc, is also rewarding as these could be some of the conditions you could find yourself racing in.
Man was made to run outdoors - not on a treadmill (wow...who would have thought).
Treadmill running has it's place for the non-competitive, recreational, fitness-type runners who want a controlled environment with the just right temp & no wind, rain, snow, etc & no rugged terrain. Lol.
Then you should have a proper talk with the Ingebrigtsen brothers. They're hammering workouts on the treadmill ;)
My treadmill has a 'Hill' routine that I use for my WALK days. I run 4 days a week and walk 3 days a week. All my runs (Tues, Thur, Sat, Sun) are on the pavement - rain or shine or hot or cold. My walks (Mon, Wed, Fri) are a 4 mile @ 4 mph on the Hill routine. It indiscriminately bounces from 1.5% to 7.8% grades. I wouldn't change a thing. I manage to cut my BQ time by 20 or more minutes every year.
The ground is moving forward - you don't have to do much other than your legs. There's no air resistance. You don't burn as much calories as outdoor running.
Your legs at doing the exact same type of work on a treadmill as they do outside. The ground is spinning at 1,000 mph and moving through space at nearly 70,000 mph when you run outside. The only thing that matters is the running surface movement relative to your body.
Treadmills are great tools for training. But they're just tools. The speed you can run on a treadmill is different from what you can run outside. Who cares...just run based on effort.
Thank you! Jeezus, if the treadmill is easier just run faster! How's that a downside? And BTW, have we not seen Jacob I using a treadmill a great deal? Seems like he does it every episode. But yes, you need to get outside eventually because overground running imparts more stress and strain to your bones. You gotta get that stress. Changing abruptly from exclusively treadmill to outside is asking for stress fracture.
My treadmill is only used to stay out of bad weather. I also detect that running on the road is more efficient than on a treadmill. It seems like the reason is in the initial ground contact to a stationary surface providing an immediate acceleration whereas on a treadmill some of the force is lost from the moving surface.
I find it to be nice once a week to just set it at a pace and zone out, but I always hear people saying its, "bad" or "not good for you"?
It can increase risk of injury, especially if you are not sufficiently accustomed to it, because pace variation is one less degree of freedom you have on the treadmill.
Your legs at doing the exact same type of work on a treadmill as they do outside. The ground is spinning at 1,000 mph and moving through space at nearly 70,000 mph when you run outside. The only thing that matters is the running surface movement relative to your body.
Treadmills are great tools for training. But they're just tools. The speed you can run on a treadmill is different from what you can run outside. Who cares...just run based on effort.
That's stupid - you don't know what you're talking about. Treadmill running is like running in place - you just lift your feet up as the surface moves below you. With outdoor running you're pushing off the ground with each step. And when you encounter hills or inclines, you have to increase your intensity, pump the legs more & focus on form in order to maintain your set pace.
I don't why I'm explaining this to you - if you're a "real runner" you should know better.
The difference I get from running outdoors vs indoors on a treadmill is like night & day. Running into different elements of heat, cold, wind, rain, etc, is also rewarding as these could be some of the conditions you could find yourself racing in.
Man was made to run outdoors - not on a treadmill (wow...who would have thought).
Treadmill running has it's place for the non-competitive, recreational, fitness-type runners who want a controlled environment with the just right temp & no wind, rain, snow, etc & no rugged terrain. Lol.
Exactly. Would a plane take off if it was on a (very large) treadmill?
I only run on the treadmill. I am flying over that slatted rubber while I watch the poor people out the window of the gym, plodding along in rain, snow, ice and wind, trying not to fall down or get run over by gravel trucks or step in dog crap.
Also, people were not "designed" for running outside. Humans evolved the ability to run. that is all.
Exactly. Would a plane take off if it was on a (very large) treadmill?
Yes, it would. A plane's engine does not send power to the wheels, the only thing that would hinder a plane from taking off is the increased friction of the wheels' rotation due to a higher relative groundspeed (speed of treadmill + speed over static ground), however, this is negligible. Airspeed will be largely unaffected.
The past few months I've done over half of my running on a treadmill. I'll be running at the olympic trials marathon again in a year. Lots of fast people run multiple times per week on a treadmill. Even doing workouts on them is fine, if you can handle it mentally. It matches outdoor running pretty well if you put it at the right incline for your pace. If you keep it at 0% you'll probably run faster than outside and think it's a better workout than it is. Nothing wrong with treadmill running, it's just not as enjoyable as being outside in nice weather.