We should ban caffeine as a PED

It was not banned exactly. There was a limit like there are with many other substances.

Very high amounts of caffeine have actual health risks also. Fact. Can cause and has caused cardiac arrest.

forbes.com

What's The Likelihood Of Dying From Too Much Caffeine?

Tara Haelle

The answer: the chances aren't high, but after the highly sensationalized death of a South Carolina teen, it's best to understand the risks of caffeinated drinks.

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Did you actually read the entire article?

Did you even read this article?

Ok I will concede that in incredibly rare instances caffeine can have health risks.
You know I can find cases of people dying from water intoxication. Should we ban water?

If caffeine gets banned I'm going to have to come as an unapologetic doper. I'll gladly return that 2nd place pineapple I wont that one time, if it means I can keep feeding the caffeine-monster.

Caffeine only violates 1 or the 3 criteria, of which 2 must be violated, for a substance to be considered illegal.

Okay I'll flip the script on you-

Yes there's certainly are water intoxication deaths. Has happened to several mid to back of the pack marathoners. Actual documented deaths from EPO use are not extremely common. Therefore..... maybe EPO should be legal? I mean to your point people die from high levels of lots things, even water. Therefore why the scare tactics/banning of EPO? Just tell people to be very careful, have a doctor watch them, Etc. Health risks mitigated/eliminated. Voila.

Look of course I am being facetious and I don't even support banning caffeine. I am simply saying that in fairly high amounts there certainly are health risks and deaths associated with it. Many of these individuals were susceptible/ sensitive to the effects of caffeine but of course did not know that.

Several triathletes have died during the swim portion due to cardiac arrest and it may have been a combination of adrenaline surge, cold water, underlying genetic vulnerability and caffeine.

Here is some information on potential risks of caffeine use before exercise.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Caffeine Effects on the Cardiovascular System

Much of the concern about caffeinated food and beverages and their potential health effects in vulnerable populations stems from several recent sudden cardiac deaths in adolescents being attributed to consumption of caffeinat...

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I think caffeine is a gray area. In moderate amounts it seems very safe for most people and occurs naturally in many common foods/ drinks.

However it

1] it does have some performance enhancing attributes

2] is often taken in a synthetic, not natural, non-food way

3] does have some real risks to certain individuals

It's not clear whether they were talking about coca cola or cocaine LOL.

Coffee has been shown to reduce all-cause mortality, an effect likely due mainly to caffeine. ANY substance (including water) can be lethal in sufficiently vast quantities, but available evidence suggests that caffeine at sane doses is either innocuous or health-promoting.

You are essentially allowed 6-8 cups worth of coffee in an hour if hydrated. That's plenty

I believe Elena Meyer of South Africa was busted for caffeine

I think we should ban running. It is clearly too susceptible to doping - whether by caffeine or anything else.

Shoot, ban carbs. No gels allowed on the course, only meat. Aide stations with a nice filet mignon, but done conveniently, bite sized with tooth picks and such so can grab them at race pace with no problem

Caffeine is permitted by the WADA, but it's been on the monitoring list for years, supposedly to monitor for "abuse." On the other hand, Caffeine IS banned in the NCAA at levels above 15 micrograms per milliliter, which is like ingesting 500 milligrams of caffeine. For reference, there are 410 milligrams of caffeine in a Starbucks venti Pike Place. That's just black coffee with no extra shots. If the NCAA actually enforced the rule, no one would be running! For the record, it should be banned based on the other drugs they ban.

Caffeine is not a PED unless you're the sort to show up at the starting line sleepy. Maybe you don't care and have no adrenaline or fear to hype you up.

So they do tests on random sample and 20% of them are sleepy so they find some slight overall effect. Big deal. You could get the same effect by someone grabbing their shoulders and shaking them and screaming "wake up!"

So this is not a real drug, just a substitute for motivating yourself into an energetic mood. Can't make you do anything you couldn't do naturally.

Amphetamines CAN... basically long-term adrenaline that never lets up, removing physiological barriers to overexertion.

No comment on banning but I am curious what percent of athletes:

A. Do not consume a significant amount of caffeine. (Like none up to a cup of tea or half cup of coffee.)

B. Drink 1-2cups of coffee(or 2+ cups of tea) in the morning that is not intentionally aligned in time with any race event.

C. Specifically consume any type of caffeine to increase their race performance. For example a pill or shot of expresso 1hr before a 5k so it peaks at the gun.

The doses needed to have those effects far exceed the dose permitted for athletes. Caffeine is allowed but not above certain blood concentrations.

removing physiological barriers to overexertion? Explain? Or try to explain at least.

Classic! :-)

"Rule number two - Coke can harm a person's health. Coffee does not. We tested it on 200 million people this morning and it went well. It is different...."